Tax Tsunami Coming to you!!!!

[ISASO]

Donald Berwick, the nominee to run the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services: "Any health-care funding plan that is just, equitable, civilized and humane must ... redistribute wealth from the richer among us to the poorer and the less fortunate. Excellent health care is by definition redistributional."

[SubGod22]

Donald Berwick, the nominee to run the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services: "Any health-care funding plan that is just, equitable, civilized and humane must ... redistribute wealth from the richer among us to the poorer and the less fortunate. Excellent health care is by definition redistributional."

How does that really make sense to anyone?

[ISASO]

Obviously it does to his biggest fans, including King Obama. If you didn't swallow Berwick's philosophy and want it ingrained into your policies, why would you nominate him to run the place?

[WuDrWu]

So, to be humane, we must all have equal things.


That is brilliant.


Start with the trial lawyers and then get back to me.

[1979Shocker]

If anyone knows anything about religion, then they should know that Jesus was also for redistribution of wealth. If fact, when the rich young ruler asked what he had to do to inherit eternal life, Jesus told him to "sell what you have and give to the poor".

I'm not saying that those who have more need to sell everything to help out those that have less. I'm just saying that if the rich or well-to-do in this country would do their part in helping those that are poor, and if the churches would do their part, then the government wouldn't have to be involved in helping those less fortunate.

[RoyalShock]

Excellent health care is by definition redistributional."

What definition? Who wrote or gets to write that definition? Can the definition be changed? Or like our Constitution, can it just be ignored?

[Maggie]

Donald Berwick, the nominee to run the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services: "Any health-care funding plan that is just, equitable, civilized and humane must ... redistribute wealth from the richer among us to the poorer and the less fortunate. Excellent health care is by definition redistributional."

How does that really make sense to anyone?

Sure, it makes perfect sense from his point of view. And the new law (and the system favored by Berwick) does redistribute wealth.

Dr. Berwick should give you an indication of what this legislation will look like in practice, as opposed to the fantasy with which we were presented during the health-care debate. Dr. Berwick is a smart guy (and serious and credible health-care analyst) who happens to be in “love” (his word, not mine) with Britain’s socialized health-care system and is now in charge of implementing key parts of the new legislation.

Berwick would prefer a single-payer system because he believes such a system would be the most efficient way to manage health care. Top-down control, in his mind, ensures that every participant in the system serves the broader public good: hospitals and doctors only perform the tests and procedures they need to; private companies make enough money to get by, without excessive profits; and “experts” mandate best practices for all parties based on the best available evidence.

[RoyalShock]

If anyone knows anything about religion, then they should know that Jesus was also for redistribution of wealth. If fact, when the rich young ruler asked what he had to do to inherit eternal life, Jesus told him to "sell what you have and give to the poor".

I'm not saying that those who have more need to sell everything to help out those that have less. I'm just saying that if the rich or well-to-do in this country would do their part in helping those that are poor, and if the churches would do their part, then the government wouldn't have to be involved in helping those less fortunate.

Jesus preached personal, individual and voluntary sacrifice of our resources (which at the purist level belong to God) to help the less fortunate as an expression of love and to fulfill the greatest commandment. He did not advocate that agents of authority steal property and give to someone of their choosing.

I practice the former. The government practices the latter, presuming our fruits belong to them. There is a big difference. And if anyone can show me where in scripture Jesus either petitioned rulers to take from others or told people to petition the government to perform such charity, I would be happy to reconsider my position.

[ISASO]

If anyone knows anything about religion, then they should know that Jesus was also for redistribution of wealth. If fact, when the rich young ruler asked what he had to do to inherit eternal life, Jesus told him to "sell what you have and give to the poor".

I'm not saying that those who have more need to sell everything to help out those that have less. I'm just saying that if the rich or well-to-do in this country would do their part in helping those that are poor, and if the churches would do their part, then the government wouldn't have to be involved in helping those less fortunate.

Obviously we were typing at the same time, Royal.

Where did Jesus say another person has the power to mandate what you give and to whom you give?

Where did Jesus say it was the government's job to determine how much was enough and that "the right amount" can be taken by force and handed to someone the government determines deserves it more?

[SubGod22]

If anyone knows anything about religion, then they should know that Jesus was also for redistribution of wealth. If fact, when the rich young ruler asked what he had to do to inherit eternal life, Jesus told him to "sell what you have and give to the poor".

I'm not saying that those who have more need to sell everything to help out those that have less. I'm just saying that if the rich or well-to-do in this country would do their part in helping those that are poor, and if the churches would do their part, then the government wouldn't have to be involved in helping those less fortunate.

Jesus preached personal, individual and voluntary sacrifice of our resources (which at the purist level belong to God) to help the less fortunate as an expression of love and to fulfill the greatest commandment. He did not advocate that agents of authority steal property and give to someone of their choosing.

I practice the former. The government practices the latter, presuming our fruits belong to them. There is a big difference. And if anyone can show me where in scripture Jesus either petitioned rulers to take from others or told people to petition the government to perform such charity, I would be happy to reconsider my position.

:good:

[WuDrWu]

If anyone knows anything about religion, then they should know that Jesus was also for redistribution of wealth. If fact, when the rich young ruler asked what he had to do to inherit eternal life, Jesus told him to "sell what you have and give to the poor".

I'm not saying that those who have more need to sell everything to help out those that have less. I'm just saying that if the rich or well-to-do in this country would do their part in helping those that are poor, and if the churches would do their part, then the government wouldn't have to be involved in helping those less fortunate.

At the risk of sounding like an ass, and Royal said it MUCH better than I could ever dream of, but that last part is offensive.

If those in government were as generous, as the so called rich or well to do, with their OWN money instead of with others, then perhaps government wouldn't have to be so misguided?

And I believe that the VAST majority of poverty in THIS country has FAR more to do with 1)Wasteful and poorly managed government programs 2)personal responsibility............ 486)Fortune.


I am tired of hearing about fortune. I (and so many Americans) willing help the less fortunate....the other 99% need to step up and take responsibility.

[1979Shocker]

Where did Jesus say it was the government's job to determine how much was enough and that "the right amount" can be taken by force and handed to someone the government determines deserves it more?

I looked back through what I wrote and I didn't say Jesus said it's the government's job. I only said that the government wouldn't have to do what it's doing right now if those that are well off and the churches would do a better job of helping the poor or less well off.

[InWuWeTrust]

married couple making $100,000 filing jointly, so they would be in the 25% marginal tax bracket, right?

marginal tax rates dont mean anything to me.. i'm more intersted in effective (average) tax brackets. lets work thru an example: i didn't mention that they have two kids, with itemized deductions of $25,000 including 401k/HSA/real estate-mortgage/other misc deductions...so their tax is calculated on $75,000 adjusted gross income.


marginal tax rate............income.....................total tax
10%.......................0 - $16,700.....................$1670
15%.....................$16,701 - $67,900.............$7679.85
25%.....................$67,901 - $75,000.............$1774.75
------------
$11124.60


this couple's total federal tax is $11124.60 or << 11.12% >> and DO NOT have a tax problem. c'mon people tax rates are at their lowest rates in many, many years and are going to have to go up.

[ISASO]

So we will be the first nation to ever tax itself into prosperity?

[SubGod22]

I wonder how many jobs the raising of taxes will create...