Charlottesville riots

[SB Shock]

Pepper Balls......

[jdshock]

I will start by saying my proposed fix isn't a lock to fix anything, and should it go forward, there are many intricacies that would need to be looked at much more closely. With that said, wouldn't the cheaper tech offset the lost lower end jobs with higher paid tech jobs? Maybe it's not enough to offset.

I think there are two main problems. First, and this is not the politically correct vision for the future that my side is supposed to espouse, I just don't think everyone is a good fit for being in a skilled position. Second, and maybe more importantly, every tech innovating job will replace multiple unskilled positions.

What about increased population? Wouldn't that help as well? Is it possible we could decrease the cost of energy to help with lower wages?

I don't know that we're seeing a ton of population growth. It would only help if the increased population can fill skilled positions, I think. I'm not exactly sure how the energy would help. If anything, it probably also reduces the price at which automation is competitive.

On the 40 hour a week job, I enjoy that, but is it really some right we should be protecting over getting out of poverty? Most stories told by grandparents start with them being poor and working their way out of poverty through extra effort. What is the base income required to sustain abnormal healthy life? In Kansas, I would think $200 for utilities, $500 for apartment, $300 for a car, $600 for food + insurance to support three people. That's $10 an hour, which one should be able to make after 4 years at Wal-Mart. It's not great, but it's enough. I lived on much less.

I'd love for everyone who works 40 hours a week to get out of poverty, but I'm not sure that's incredibly likely. That's not really what I was proposing, though. I do think it's important that 40 hours a week is more than enough to support oneself, though. I think $10/hour in Kansas is probably more than enough to support oneself. $5/hour is probably not enough. Most importantly, $0/hour is absolutely not enough, and I think we need to start recognizing that there just aren't going to be enough jobs.

[MoValley John]

I think there are two main problems. First, and this is not the politically correct vision for the future that my side is supposed to espouse, I just don't think everyone is a good fit for being in a skilled position. Second, and maybe more importantly, every tech innovating job will replace multiple unskilled positions.



I don't know that we're seeing a ton of population growth. It would only help if the increased population can fill skilled positions, I think. I'm not exactly sure how the energy would help. If anything, it probably also reduces the price at which automation is competitive.



I'd love for everyone who works 40 hours a week to get out of poverty, but I'm not sure that's incredibly likely. That's not really what I was proposing, though. I do think it's important that 40 hours a week is more than enough to support oneself, though. I think $10/hour in Kansas is probably more than enough to support oneself. $5/hour is probably not enough. Most importantly, $0/hour is absolutely not enough, and I think we need to start recognizing that there just aren't going to be enough jobs.

McDonald's starts at $11/hr. in Omaha, at least that's what the drive through advertising boasts. Home Depot starts cashiers at $12/hr. My son, who started his senior year in high school, spent the summer working as a helper for an HVAC company- $14/hr. I was proud of the little whippersnapper.

I'm not sure what my point is, other than $15/hr. is not that far out of reach for almost any unskilled worker. It won't support a family of four, but I'd bet a family of four could get by with both the mother and father working full-time at Home Depot.

My son's boss has guaranteed him a position at $17/hr upon graduation. He has also offered to pay for community college in HVAC if he works part time while in school and gets a "C" or better. My son wants to be a plumber, so he's passing on the HVAC, but he will be making decent money while attending CC. I never imagined him not wanting a four year college, our working in the trades, but that's what he wants and I couldn't be more proud.

[BOBB]

McDonald's starts at $11/hr. in Omaha, at least that's what the drive through advertising boasts. Home Depot starts cashiers at $12/hr. My son, who started his senior year in high school, spent the summer working as a helper for an HVAC company- $14/hr. I was proud of the little whippersnapper.

I'm not sure what my point is, other than $15/hr. is not that far out of reach for almost any unskilled worker. It won't support a family of four, but I'd bet a family of four could get by with both the mother and father working full-time at Home Depot.

My son's boss has guaranteed him a position at $17/hr upon graduation. He has also offered to pay for community college in HVAC if he works part time while in school and gets a "C" or better. My son wants to be a plumber, so he's passing on the HVAC, but he will be making decent money while attending CC. I never imagined him not wanting a four year college, our working in the trades, but that's what he wants and I couldn't be more proud.

Plumbing is a solid trade and mostly robot proof for the foreseeable future. Take the present value of all my earnings in the corporate ladder to now, I would have been better off a plumber.

[WuShock16]

McDonald's starts at $11/hr. in Omaha, at least that's what the drive through advertising boasts. Home Depot starts cashiers at $12/hr. My son, who started his senior year in high school, spent the summer working as a helper for an HVAC company- $14/hr. I was proud of the little whippersnapper.

I'm not sure what my point is, other than $15/hr. is not that far out of reach for almost any unskilled worker. It won't support a family of four, but I'd bet a family of four could get by with both the mother and father working full-time at Home Depot.

My son's boss has guaranteed him a position at $17/hr upon graduation. He has also offered to pay for community college in HVAC if he works part time while in school and gets a "C" or better. My son wants to be a plumber, so he's passing on the HVAC, but he will be making decent money while attending CC. I never imagined him not wanting a four year college, our working in the trades, but that's what he wants and I couldn't be more proud.

I saw a video or maybe just on TV a long time ago where Jay Leno talked about skilled, blue-collar-type jobs. He hates that jobs where one has to get their hands dirty are considered to be inferior. As MVJ mentioned, you can actually be pretty successful and well-compensated in such fields as HVAC, welding, auto repair, etc. Being a car guy, Jay has put a lot of money into scholarships for auto restoration programs at tech schools. I think McPherson College has been the recipient of some of his generosity.

[wufan]

I saw a video or maybe just on TV a long time ago where Jay Leno talked about skilled, blue-collar-type jobs. He hates that jobs where one has to get their hands dirty are considered to be inferior. As MVJ mentioned, you can actually be pretty successful and well-compensated in such fields as HVAC, welding, auto repair, etc. Being a car guy, Jay has put a lot of money into scholarships for auto restoration programs at tech schools. I think McPherson College has been the recipient of some of his generosity.

Yep! Jay Leno uses McPherson College for his pre-war restoration projects. There's a few cool old cars in this town, and the college is extremely difficult to get into and graduate.

An HVAC guy or a welder can easily earn $50K/yr with a two year degree and two years experience.

[pinstripers]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/video-shows-man-shooting-crowd-033820125.html

[Aargh]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/video-sho...033820125.html

But if the counter protesters would have just had the good sense to stay away, this peaceful protester would never have had to fire his gun at them.

[wufan]

But if the counter protesters would have just had the good sense to stay away, this peaceful protester would never have had to fire his gun at them.

Obviously firing a gun into a crowd is indefensible, but the dude brought a flamethrower to a gun fight.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Obviously firing a gun into a crowd is indefensible, but the dude brought a flamethrower to a gun fight.

I keep watching these videos thinking about how many idiots there are on all sides. Different levels of culpability for what occurred? Of course. But shooting into a crowd, or using a flame thrower at a crowd, or running around looking to sucker punch people before falling back into "your team's" ranks, or yelling profanities and screaming at others like an immature middle schooler, or chanting horrible things about entire groups of people, or, or, or.

At some point, I run out of energy to bother with who gets 90%, or 50%, or 10% of the blame, and all I can think is "These folks are all scum. Every last one of them on every side." and I get depressed that the majority of "the rest of us" can't denounce them all and be done with it.

[Boss1786]

I keep watching these videos thinking about how many idiots there are on all sides. Different levels of culpability for what occurred? Of course. But shooting into a crowd, or using a flame thrower at a crowd, or running around looking to sucker punch people before falling back into "your team's" ranks, or yelling profanities and screaming at others like an immature middle schooler, or chanting horrible things about entire groups of people, or, or, or.

At some point, I run out of energy to bother with who gets 90%, or 50%, or 10% of the blame, and all I can think is "These folks are all scum. Every last one of them on every side." and I get depressed that the majority of "the rest of us" can't denounce them all and be done with it.

Amen!

[pinstripers]

http://www.wibw.com/content/news/Black-clad-anarchists-storm-Berkeley-rally-assaulting-4-441929273.html

and more

[wufan]

Not sure that there is a moral equivalence here, but for some reason recent readings on Margaret Sanger made me think about the removal of confederate statues.

For those that don't know, Margaret Sanger was a major proponent of birth control in the first half of the 20th century. Her second husband was exceedingly wealthy and funded her free clinics in the inner cities and her publications to spread her views. She was socialist, a Darwinist, and a major proponent of eugenics (forced sterilization). Her first two clinics were set up in ethnic minority neighborhoods of NYC. She believed that aborigines were one step above chimpanzees and unable to control their sexual urges except by police force. Slavs, Jews, and Negroes (her words) were one step above the aborigines. By placing a clinic in Harlem, she felt that she could help to stop the propagation of negroes. When the local population was concerned about the forced sterilization, she hired black staff to help ease their concern. She also enlisted black ministers to support her As she says, "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

Margaret Sanger went on to found Planned Parenthood, which is the number one killer of black American babies today (about 500,000 annually, or 19 million since Roe v Wade). In the 300 year history of slave trade in America, about 1.5 million blacks died due to the slave trade. Why aren't planned parenthood clinics at risk of being torn down due to the horrible racist ideology it represents?

[WuDrWu]

Because unborn babies, black or white, aren't people.

[shockmonster]

Not sure that there is a moral equivalence here, but for some reason recent readings on Margaret Sanger made me think about the removal of confederate statues.

For those that don't know, Margaret Sanger was a major proponent of birth control in the first half of the 20th century. Her second husband was exceedingly wealthy and funded her free clinics in the inner cities and her publications to spread her views. She was socialist, a Darwinist, and a major proponent of eugenics (forced sterilization). Her first two clinics were set up in ethnic minority neighborhoods of NYC. She believed that aborigines were one step above chimpanzees and unable to control their sexual urges except by police force. Slavs, Jews, and Negroes (her words) were one step above the aborigines. By placing a clinic in Harlem, she felt that she could help to stop the propagation of negroes. When the local population was concerned about the forced sterilization, she hired black staff to help ease their concern. She also enlisted black ministers to support her As she says, "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

Margaret Sanger went on to found Planned Parenthood, which is the number one killer of black American babies today (about 500,000 annually, or 19 million since Roe v Wade). In the 300 year history of slave trade in America, about 1.5 million blacks died due to the slave trade. Why aren't planned parenthood clinics at risk of being torn down due to the horrible racist ideology it represents?

As you pointed out, Margaret Sanger ( the founder of a Planned Parenthood) went much farther than ABORTION. She actually was so racist that she thought that black men and women should be steralized for the good of the human race. That is the legacy and foundation that PP was built on. The current videos that show the immorality of PP leaders selling babies that have been aborted are the current state of an organization built by an immoral leader (Sanger).

I can't see our liberal friends trying to defend what Sanger built