Idiocracy Protests

[wufan]

Made up facts? I'm not trying to start a fight about this, but you literally said "liberals that protest him are anti-free speech." That includes peacefully protesting liberals (even if you erroneously think that's a small percentage of the protesters). That blanket statement is what I was referring to. Maybe that isn't what you meant. I don't think it's "made up facts," though.

I think we're all becoming too cavalier with our use of the phrase "free speech." If a student at Berkeley asks the institution to ban all conservative speakers, that is anti free speech. If the institution hosts a speaker that the student disagrees with, you can protest all you want and it isn't anti free speech. The students are trying to say "I want it to be known that I stand against what this nut job is saying." That's not anti free speech; that is the epitome of free speech.

And I've said several times, I'm sure it's not effective. Liberals should just ignore this guy. You know what satisfies the folks who want to hear him speak? The idea that there are a thousand people outside holding signs chanting about how terrible that speaker is. Milo and the types of college students who support Milo are contrarians that love provoking people. You know the fastest way to get a 4 year old to stop saying "I'm not touching you..."? Just stop reacting. A bad strategy doesn't make you anti free speech, though.

There was a little miscommunication on what I meant, so to clarify, protestors that attempt to stop someone from speaking are using free speech as an excuse to stop free speech. The reported incident was exactly that and it used violence to do so. I took offense to your adding the word peaceful in front of my statement and inserting into my comment, as well, I took exception to the idea that they were protesting the appropriations of funds to support said speaker. This was reported on as not true in the article, hence the phrase "made up facts."

I hope that covers paragraph 1. Paragraph 3 appears to show our agreement on effectiveness.

For paragraph 2: "The students are trying to say "I want it to be known that I stand against what this nut job is saying." That's not anti free speech; that is the epitome of free speech." In my view, protesting ideas or articulation of said ideas is in fact a protest against free speech. Ideas are meant to be shared, engaged, debated...not protested. Laws, mandates, rights (or lack there of), those are the things in which a group should come together and make their voices heard. They should protest ACTIONS not ideas. These protests should bring about debates on the soundness of ideas. These are the very ideals of free speech.

To put this into context based on logical conclusion, if I want to share my idea with a group and that group protests me as a united front against my ideas, they have effectively stopped the discourse. My only remaining available action, should I disagree is to protest their protest. In-turn my protest would be protested...rinse, repeat.

My only ask of protestors is that they stand united against a wrongful act, not an idea, because to shut down ideas in the name of protest, is to shut down the very thing that allows us to move forward as people.

[ShockingButTrue]

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-02-03/worst-u-s-protests-since-1960s-spur-states-to-pursue-crackdown

People just want to feel safe. It's not a privilege.

[John Higgins]

CNN says it was actually right wingers pretending to be liberals that caused the Berkeley riots! Look out Russians, you will be blamed next:

CNN video in the link:

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/02/03/robert-reich-rumors-that-berkeley-riots-were-a-right-wing-false-flag-or-something/

[ShockingButTrue]

CNN says it was actually right wingers pretending to be liberals that caused the Berkeley riots! Look out Russians, you will be blamed next:

CNN video in the link:

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/02/0...-or-something/

Lord have mercy.

[wufan]

CNN says it was actually right wingers pretending to be liberals that caused the Berkeley riots! Look out Russians, you will be blamed next:

CNN video in the link:

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/02/0...-or-something/

Within this article is a link to an alleged site that lays out the way and reason how we should "silence Milo". It reads like a white supremacy ideologue in reverse. White men have all the power therefore we must take unconventional action to overturn the power structure (my summation). It's pure lunacy.

[John Higgins]

Wow, nice catch! I skimmed right over that earlier. That is certainly alarming, every last detail of the protest/riot is planned out.

[WuDrWu]

Don Lemon shouldn't be called a news anchor.

[60Shock]

Bare with me as I have to set the background reference a truly despicable American university whose actions through the ages should rouse moral American indignation whether you be a liberal or a conservative.

While assigned to the 4th PSYOP Group (psychological operations) in Vietnam in 1968, my job as Chief of the Audience Analysis Section was to evaluate the physical condition of both North Vietnamese troops and the Viet Cong. We did this by face to face communications with combat soldiers and daily gleaming info from Intelligence reports and from Situation reports from our units in the field. Primarily we were looking for anything we could use via leaflets and loud speaker broadcasts to psychologically exploit their situations in the field. Like severe lack of medicines to treat illnesses such as malaria along with their shortages of pain relief medicines and penicillin for battle wounds. We also managed a very successful Chiêu Hồi Program which was an initiative to encourage defection by the Viet Cong and their supporters to the side of the Government.

In addition, I was responsible for reviewing all enemy PSYOP material directed against our soldiers and recommend ways we should counter it.

When I first arrived in-country the NVA/Vietcong leaflets were really poorly done both in content and preparation. They were a laughing stock to our troops. Misspelled words, messages rambled on and on. Art work was poor and the paper quality of their leaflets was barely superior to toilet paper. One example was:

"US HOOPS GO HMOE" which they later corrected to US HOOPS GO HOME"

Then five months later it suddenly changed dramatically. Their content and art work were excellent, and suddenly their paper even had a water mark. I became very suspicious and forwarded a report up, with copies of their printed materials through intelligence channels proposing that their propaganda was likely being produced in the United States or Europe and they should check it out.

Shortly before I returned home, we received word back that the FBI has traced the water mark and the printing presses, to guess where - UC Berkeley.

Never received any further info on this as to whether there were any repercussions against the university. Seriously doubt it. As far as I can ascertain, our press and media never ever said a word about it. It is very unlikely that an action which involved the university's printing department (which clearly amounts to AIDING and ABETTING the enemy during a war time action) and could be considered, TREASON, happened without the consent of the university's top administrators.

The printing departmental involvement can not be denied. In my opinion, and I admit, I do not have any facts to back this up, but I feel very strongly after working in this field, that the composure of the materials was not done, if at all, solely by students, without faculty help. This is based on the fact that, at that time, few of the students at Berkeley, likely had much or any military experience. My soldiers composing our materials all had PHD's and MD's in Psychology.

[Walker]

Bare with me as I have to set the background reference a truly despicable American university whose actions through the ages should rouse moral American indignation whether you be a liberal or a conservative.

While assigned to the 4th PSYOP Group (psychological operations) in Vietnam in 1968, my job as Chief of the Audience Analysis Section was to evaluate the physical condition of both North Vietnamese troops and the Viet Cong. We did this by face to face communications with combat soldiers and daily gleaming info from Intelligence reports and from Situation reports from our units in the field. Primarily we were looking for anything we could use via leaflets and loud speaker broadcasts to psychologically exploit their situations in the field. Like severe lack of medicines to treat illnesses such as malaria along with their shortages of pain relief medicines and penicillin for battle wounds. We also managed a very successful Chiêu Hồi Program which was an initiative to encourage defection by the Viet Cong and their supporters to the side of the Government.

In addition, I was responsible for reviewing all enemy PSYOP material directed against our soldiers and recommend ways we should counter it.

When I first arrived in-country the NVA/Vietcong leaflets were really poorly done both in content and preparation. They were a laughing stock to our troops. Misspelled words, messages rambled on and on. Art work was poor and the paper quality of their leaflets was barely superior to toilet paper. One example was:

"US HOOPS GO HMOE" which they later corrected to US HOOPS GO HOME"

Then five months later it suddenly changed dramatically. Their content and art work were excellent, and suddenly their paper even had a water mark. I became very suspicious and forwarded a report up, with copies of their printed materials through intelligence channels proposing that their propaganda was likely being produced in the United States or Europe and they should check it out.

Shortly before I returned home, we received word back that the FBI has traced the water mark and the printing presses, to guess where - UC Berkeley.

Never received any further info on this as to whether there were any repercussions against the university. Seriously doubt it. As far as I can ascertain, our press and media never ever said a word about it. It is very unlikely that an action which involved the university's printing department (which clearly amounts to AIDING and ABETTING the enemy during a war time action) and could be considered, TREASON, happened without the consent of the university's top administrators.

The printing departmental involvement can not be denied. In my opinion, and I admit, I do not have any facts to back this up, but I feel very strongly after working in this field, that the composure of the materials was not done, if at all, solely by students, without faculty help. This is based on the fact that, at that time, few of the students at Berkeley, likely had much or any military experience. My soldiers composing our materials all had PHD's and MD's in Psychology.

Wow that is insane, and treasonous. It goes to show how radicals have infiltrated much of academia. You look at radicals like Bill Ayers and other domestic terrorist who were responsible for murders, are now professors in universities and are indoctrinating young people. People sneer at McCarthy, but I think there was a lot of credibility of what he was fighting against.

60s Shock, forever grateful of yours and the service of your buddies. I'm sorry the chain of command and politicians turned such a blind eye to what was going on, undermining all that you guys were doing and putting your lives in danger.

[shocka khan]

Wow that is insane, and treasonous. It goes to show how radicals have infiltrated much of academia. You look at radicals like Bill Ayers and other domestic terrorist who were responsible for murders, are now professors in universities and are indoctrinating young people. People sneer at McCarthy, but I think there was a lot of credibility of what he was fighting against.

60s Shock, forever grateful of yours and the service of your buddies. I'm sorry the chain of command and politicians turned such a blind eye to what was going on, undermining all that you guys were doing and putting your lives in danger.

I don't sneer at McCarthy, rather I feel sorry for what he was.....a drunk who needed meds.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/joseph-mccarthy-dies

During the next few years, the senator turned increasingly to alcohol to relieve his frustrations. In 1957, he was hospitalized, suffering from numerous ailments all exacerbated by cirrhosis of the liver. He died in Bethesda, Maryland, and was buried in his home state of Wisconsin

[Kung Wu]

Bare with me as I have to set the background reference a truly despicable American university whose actions through the ages should rouse moral American indignation whether you be a liberal or a conservative.

While assigned to the 4th PSYOP Group (psychological operations) in Vietnam in 1968, my job as Chief of the Audience Analysis Section was to evaluate the physical condition of both North Vietnamese troops and the Viet Cong. We did this by face to face communications with combat soldiers and daily gleaming info from Intelligence reports and from Situation reports from our units in the field. Primarily we were looking for anything we could use via leaflets and loud speaker broadcasts to psychologically exploit their situations in the field. Like severe lack of medicines to treat illnesses such as malaria along with their shortages of pain relief medicines and penicillin for battle wounds. We also managed a very successful Chiêu Hồi Program which was an initiative to encourage defection by the Viet Cong and their supporters to the side of the Government.

In addition, I was responsible for reviewing all enemy PSYOP material directed against our soldiers and recommend ways we should counter it.

When I first arrived in-country the NVA/Vietcong leaflets were really poorly done both in content and preparation. They were a laughing stock to our troops. Misspelled words, messages rambled on and on. Art work was poor and the paper quality of their leaflets was barely superior to toilet paper. One example was:

"US HOOPS GO HMOE" which they later corrected to US HOOPS GO HOME"

Then five months later it suddenly changed dramatically. Their content and art work were excellent, and suddenly their paper even had a water mark. I became very suspicious and forwarded a report up, with copies of their printed materials through intelligence channels proposing that their propaganda was likely being produced in the United States or Europe and they should check it out.

Shortly before I returned home, we received word back that the FBI has traced the water mark and the printing presses, to guess where - UC Berkeley.

Never received any further info on this as to whether there were any repercussions against the university. Seriously doubt it. As far as I can ascertain, our press and media never ever said a word about it. It is very unlikely that an action which involved the university's printing department (which clearly amounts to AIDING and ABETTING the enemy during a war time action) and could be considered, TREASON, happened without the consent of the university's top administrators.

The printing departmental involvement can not be denied. In my opinion, and I admit, I do not have any facts to back this up, but I feel very strongly after working in this field, that the composure of the materials was not done, if at all, solely by students, without faculty help. This is based on the fact that, at that time, few of the students at Berkeley, likely had much or any military experience. My soldiers composing our materials all had PHD's and MD's in Psychology.

Wow! Cool story!

[DwShock]

Snowflakes protesting in various cities again today.

[ShockingButTrue]

Snowflakes protesting in various cities again today.

[Kung Wu]

Connecticut liberal: "I'm so pissed about Trump being elected that I won't get out of the way of an ambulance transporting a patient in critical condition -- even when the cops ask me to!"

February 4th, 2017

[RoyalShock]

Here is the Steven Crowder (Louder with Crowder) video where he infiltrates the women's march as a transgender woman. I'm sure there's some cherry-picking with who made it into the video, but it still illustrates some of the ignorance and hypocrisy of the left, and moreso that most of the women couldn't name any specific policy issues they were for or against.

Warning! It's probably NSFW.