Contraceptives and Viagra

[Aargh]

We don't have these kinds of issues with Viagra. Guys will definitely take that medication.

[jdshock]

But the argument is that they want the children because they get a bigger welfare check if they have more children. And there's a pretty easy way to demonstrate it.

50% of children are born to women on medicaid, but only about 15% of women aged 19 to 44 are on medicaid.

That's absolutely mindboggling. I'm not sure what it means in terms of whether birth control should be covered or not, but clearly medicaid is being horrifically ABUSED. Of course we know that already, because it's a form of government interference with price controls and all economists recognize that this is what ends up happening in those types of systems.

The argument you have engaged yourself in was about whether or not birth control should be paid for under medicaid. Poster A says no because people don't take the pill uniformly enough for it to be effective. Poster B asked for statistics on that. You responded with statistics that don't prove the pill is worse than an IUD. The argument you are now making is irrelevant to the discussion of an IUD vs birth control.

[im4wsu]

The problem does not seem to be an "insurance" concern, nor a "health care" concern, per se.

If contraceptives are available and not being utilized, then the reason that they are not being utilized should be addressed, rather than syaing "insurance should pay for it." If the concern is babies create larger welfare payments and therefore welfare recipients want/need more welfare/babies and thus forego contraceptives, then that concern must be addressed and it has nothing to do with insurance.

I don't have an answer, but I can see what is not the problem...insurance.

[Kung Wu]

The argument you have engaged yourself in was about whether or not birth control should be paid for under medicaid.

No, that's not the argument I engaged in. I simply provided a single statistic for this statement: "Again, however, a disproportionately large number of ladies on welfare aren't interested in NOT having babies." Maybe I should have multi-quoted @wufan?

Poster A says no because people don't take the pill uniformly enough for it to be effective. Poster B asked for statistics on that. You responded with statistics that don't prove the pill is worse than an IUD.

I never even discussed IUD. The only conclusion I have drawn is that Medicaid is being horrifically abused.

The argument you are now making is irrelevant to the discussion of an IUD vs birth control.

Correct, and it was never intended to have anything to do with IUD vs birth control.

[Kung Wu]

We don't have these kinds of issues with Viagra. Guys will definitely take that medication.

See? Give a human being a positive incentive to do something, and they probably will. Makes sense.

[wufan]

Let's be reminded that correlation does not equal causation. Could there be something else causing those on medicaid to have more kids.... yes! We know that education level has a huge impact on the number of kids you havr, we know that income level has a huge impact. this is not as simple as those on medicaid want more money.

My original post was a purely subjective post on the adequacy of the pill for birth-control. Based on my subjective data, it is not adequate. This would be a worthwhile and easy study. What percentage of patients that are prescribed the pill have babies vs those that are prescribed an IUD. Regardless of the subjectivity of my data, I can tell you that the IUD is more effective because it is a one day procedure vs a daily commitment to medication...hence it is not studied.

So, if an IUD is more successful, should it be covered instead of the pill?Probably. There are still issues with patients complaining of discomfort and wanting it removed. Additional cost is associated, so a cost/benefit analysis needs to be performed.

[wufan]

Let's be reminded that correlation does not equal causation. Could there be something else causing those on medicaid to have more kids.... yes! We know that education level has a huge impact on the number of kids you havr, we know that income level has a huge impact. this is not as simple as those on medicaid want more money.

True that correlation does not equal causation, and there might be other reasons for them to want to have children. I have no issue with that. The question that was posed was, should people that can't pay for children be allowed to have children? I won't try to answer that.

[wufan]

Okay, do they want children? That statistic is irrelevant if they in fact want children. I want to know the amount of women who dont want children and refuse to take the pills when prescribed. I guess I dont understand why having bc covered by insurance is controversial to me it is common sense. Taking medicine as directed is pretty poor across the board no matter what population you are looking at and no matter what medicine you are looking at.

They do want children. I don't know why...they can't pay for them.