Charles Koch: 'It's possible' Clinton is preferable to a Republican for president

[SB Shock]

Billionaire businessman Charles Koch said in an interview airing Sunday that “it’s possible” another Clinton in the White House could be better than having a Republican president.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...#ixzz46hhUlxuF

[wsushox1]

He ain't that wrong. Hillary would just be a caretaker and pawn of the republican controlled legislature.

[Aargh]

He ain't that wrong. Hillary would just be a caretaker and pawn of the republican controlled legislature.

That confidence in a Republican-controlled Congress might be unfounded. The ultra-cons who seem to have control of the Republican party have some pretty dismal records in States where they've taken control. There may be some voter backlash.

Centrist positions seem to sell better in national elections and the Republicans have abandoned that. The "all or nothing" approach (which Cruz is campaigning on) appeals to the hardcore Republican establishment, but is probably less appealing to the voters.

A Democratic Congress with Hillary as Prez is not an appealing prospect. If the Dems take the Senate and Hillary is elected, the Repubs might wish they had considered Garland.

[shocka khan]

I have heard it say that republicans are OK with "renting" the White House to Hillary for the next four years as opposed to the current crop of candidates.

[Kung Wu]

Sorry @Aargh: but the "ultra-cons" do NOT control the Republican party. The GOP was not supporting Cruz at all (because he is TOO conservative in their view) until Rubio dropped out and they had no choice -- which is too little too late for Cruz.

The continued resistance from the GOP against Trump has nothing to do with too little or too much conservatism, but is all about loss of control (so they label him a loose cannon) and fear of the unknown (will he support MY favorite cash cow -- urrr, donor/PAC/lobby).

[shock]

The Republican Party has no interest in being a Conservative party. The powers that be are more populist than conservative.

[shockmonster]

Sorry @Aargh: but the "ultra-cons" do NOT control the Republican party. The GOP was not supporting Cruz at all (because he is TOO conservative in their view) until Rubio dropped out and they had no choice -- which is too little too late for Cruz.

The continued resistance from the GOP against Trump has nothing to do with too little or too much conservatism, but is all about loss of control (so they label him a loose cannon) and fear of the unknown (will he support MY favorite cash cow -- urrr, donor/PAC/lobby).

I dint think you read Cruz at all. His views are equalled by Tom Coburn and others. But he chose to go out on his own too many times almost always crossing the line by grandstanding and criticizing fellow party members who may have been elected in more moderate districts. Conservative party members like Kelly Ayotte from New England or maybe more moderate Scott Brown from liberal Massachusetts who is now a Trump supporter. Some people want Republicans around the 50 states to all fit one size. That would be like if women's dresses only came in small, medium, and large instead of size 2,4,6,8,10,12,14, etc. A lot if women would have to make their clothes. There are a lot of disenfranchised Republicans that don't support Trump, Cruz, or Kasich. That is one aspect that gives Trump a chance although traditional conservatives don't like him. Working class democrats like him because he doesn't support free trade, and free immigration. Some anti abortion supporters like him because he is pro life, although he is pro planned parenthood. Some libertarians like him he is not generous in his support of the mitary. Bottom line is that Trump is difficult to categorize.

[DUShock]

Another:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/24/politics/charles-koch-hillary-clinton-2016/index.html

[Aargh]

The Republican Party has no interest in being a Conservative party. The powers that be are more populist than conservative.

They're backing Cruz. Cruz is a Rush Limbaugh Repub. Never compromise, stand by your principles, don't give an inch, do anything to block everything that doesn't agree with your agenda. Trump is obviously the "popular" guy, which pretty much translates to the "populist" candidate, unless "popular" no longer equates to "populist".

The Repubs seem to want to appear to be populist while pursuing conservative ideologies.

[wu_shizzle]

The Repubs seem to want to appear to be populist while pursuing conservative ideologies.

You've got that backwards.

[Aargh]

You've got that backwards.

Not conservative enough for your tastes?

I am a firm believer in lower taxes and smaller government, but when the party that promises me that gets into power, I end up with the same (or higher) taxes, and the same (or larger) government. Those with wealth I'm unlikely to achieve (no matter how hard I work or strive for better employment opportunities), get lower taxes and smaller government.

I get a bit upset with someone promising me one thing, and then making me pay to give what they promised me to someone else.

[shock]

Not conservative enough for your tastes?

I am a firm believer in lower taxes and smaller government, but when the party that promises me that gets into power, I end up with the same (or higher) taxes, and the same (or larger) government. Those with wealth I'm unlikely to achieve (no matter how hard I work or strive for better employment opportunities), get lower taxes and smaller government.

I get a bit upset with someone promising me one thing, and then making me pay to give what they promised me to someone else.

Then why aren't you wholeheartedly a Cruz supporter? It seems to me you fall prey to the driveby media and don't think critically with your own research. Remember, no matter what you read or where you read it, it is coming though some sort of mouthpiece and the authors opinion will always have an impact on it. By relying on mainstream media, you are subjecting yourself to their opinions and their subliminal messaging which is 99% a liberal agenda.

Also, Priebus, McConnell and Co. are scumbags and the reason the Republican party is a shithole. They are the ones that promise one thing and do another. If you can find me an instance where Cruz has done that aside from poison pill admendments, I will not ony be shocked, but outraged.

[shox1989]

He ain't that wrong. Hillary would just be a caretaker and pawn of the republican controlled legislature.

There is a lot of truth to that statement. Something worth pondering. The Republicans would probably make historic gains in the mid-term elections if Hillary were President. If Trump wins, the opposite would probably happen. Trump has a history of being pretty liberal and even now he says some pretty liberal things. Trump with a Democratic Congress could be a major disaster for this country and could do long term damage to the Republican Party.

[shockmonster]

There is a lot of truth to that statement. Something worth pondering. The Republicans would probably make historic gains in the mid-term elections if Hillary were President. If Trump wins, the opposite would probably happen. Trump has a history of being pretty liberal and even now he says some pretty liberal things. Trump with a Democratic Congress could be a major disaster for this country and could do long term damage to the Republican Party.

On the other hand, Hillary replacing 3-4 aging Supreme Court Judges could change the court to liberal for decades.

[shox1989]

On the other hand, Hillary replacing 3-4 aging Supreme Court Judges could change the court to liberal for decades.

Can you really trust Trump to appoint better judges? The guy is an authoritarian, anti-Free trade isolationist who says anything to get elected. During this campaign, I have heard him say he likes a single payer health system, that he needs to pay more in taxes, that is opposed to free trade, not to mention his silly idea of rounding up 12 million people and deporting them. And other than building a wall and rounding up and deporting people, his positions on everything else change all of the time. That is just during this campaign. If you go back into his history, he has always been pretty liberal and supported more Liberals than Conservatives. I just don't think anybody can trust who he is going to appoint.

The only saving grace with either one of these candidate's appointments is that they have to be confirmed by the US Senate. If Hillary is President there is a good chance that we would have a conservative Senate making that confirmation. If Trump is President, it may be a more liberal Senate. Again I think I might rather take my chances with a Hillary Presidency/Republican Senate then with a Trump/Democratic Senate.

We have terrible choices this year, regardless.