ISIS

[DUShock]

I think the decision point is rather to kill it (ISIS) in its adolescence or when it is all grown up. I tend to error on sooner rather than later. I fear something will happen on 9/11/14 somewhere in Europe, the UK, and perhaps even stateside.

ISIS is populated with narcissistic western jihadists so they are bent on one-upping Bin Laden. They are grateful to OBL for the seed money back in 2004-05 but that is about the extent of the connection. OBL couldn't control Zawahiri and the full on distancing came over ISIS and their attacks on Shia in 04-05. OBL did not want to draw Iran into a confrontation, which Zawahiri did. In fact, once the bombings and prayer killings began Iraq's eastern border became as porous as the west to combat not on the Allies but also AI (Al Qaida Iraq) aka Zawahiri's peeps. Now ISIS and Al Qaida (OBL's remnants) are in a battle for recruits with ISIS attracting more followers and even more hard liners than Al Qaida. Heck, Al Qaida has even denounced the actions of ISIS. To distill the disagreement down to the lowest common denominator, is that Al Qaida wants the people wake up and to rise up while ISIS believes in using any means necessary to force the people into action. I see a loose Bolshevik-Menshevik parallel. Well, my lunch break has passed so I am stopping at this point.

I say carpet bomb.

[DUShock]

Another example of the first rule of international relations in practice "Nations do not have friends, only interests".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29079052

Iran backs military contacts to fight ISIS.

[DUShock]

A whacko, a terrorist, or both?

82 year old grandmother beheaded in north London by reported recent convert to Islam.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11075380/Woman-beheaded-in-north-London-garden.html

[SB Shock]

A whacko, a terrorist, or both?

82 year old grandmother beheaded in north London by reported recent convert to Islam.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...on-garden.html

sounds like at the very least possibly a "lone wolf"

[1979Shocker]

The guy should be lucky he did this in the UK. If he did that here, he'd be dead with a bunch of bullet holes in him.

[60Shock]

NATO has just argreed to form a coalition to fight and destroy ISIL militarily and financially.

We can only hope that the words 'completely and totally with no man, woman, or child left standing' preceeds the word destroy. Along with the United States, the coalition is comprised of the United Kingdom, France, Australia, Germany, Canada, Turkey, Italy, Poland and Denmark. They will further be working to bring other Arab countries into the coalition.

[1979Shocker]

We can only hope that the words 'completely and totally with no man, woman, or child left standing' preceeds the word destroy.

If that ended up being the case, we'd be no better than them.

[SB Shock]

Star Trek

The Iranian Ambassador to the UN had just finished giving a speech and into the lobby of the convention center where he was introduced to a U.S. Marine General.

As they talked, the Iranian said, "I have just one question about what I have seen in America."

The General said, "Well, anything I can do to help?"

The Iranian whispered, "My son watches this show called Star Trek and in it there is ... Kirk who is Canadian, Chekhov who is Russian, Scotty who is Scottish, Uhura who is black, and Sulu who is Japanese, but there are NO Muslims.. My son is very upset and doesn't understand why there aren't any Iranians, Iraqis, Afghans, Egyptians, Palestinians, Saudis, Syrians, or Pakistanis on Star Trek."

The General leaned toward the Iranian Ambassador, and whispered in his ear, "That's because it takes place in the future…"

[Kung Wu]

Hahaha

[60Shock]

If that ended up being the case, we'd be no better than them.

This is not a question whether we are better or worse than them, but in the long run it may very well be a question of the survival of the Western world as we know it today.

This is a question as to how the world deals with this most sadistic group of extreme fanatical religious Islamic terrorists, who will wantonly behead any man, woman, or child for simply nor accepting and adopting their twisted religious beliefs. Some may consider them human beings, but in reality, they are vermin of the lowest order. You cannot talk to them, negotiate with them, or even get them to try and live together, in peace, with any religious or non-religious order.

When you exterminate vermin, which also includes rats, flees, lice, etc., you do not worry about wiping out the entire nest which likely will include the entire species.

When we eventually realize that you don't fight sadistic killers like these under the Marquis of Queensbury rules, then, and only then, do we stand a chance for our future generations to avoid either having to accept Islam or having their throats slit by their offspring.

[wufan]

This is not a question whether we are better or worse than them, but in the long run it may very well be a question of the survival of the Western world as we know it today.

This is a question as to how the world deals with this most sadistic group of extreme fanatical religious Islamic terrorists, who will wantonly behead any man, woman, or child for simply nor accepting and adopting their twisted religious beliefs. Some may consider them human beings, but in reality, they are vermin of the lowest order. You cannot talk to them, negotiate with them, or even get them to try and live together, in peace, with any religious or non-religious order.

When you exterminate vermin, which also includes rats, flees, lice, etc., you do not worry about wiping out the entire nest which likely will include the entire species.

When we eventually realize that you don't fight sadistic killers like these under the Marquis of Queensbury rules, then, and only then, do we stand a chance for our future generations to avoid either having to accept Islam or having their throats slit by their offspring.

That's an extreme view.

[pinstripers]

This is not a question whether we are better or worse than them, but in the long run it may very well be a question of the survival of the Western world as we know it today.

This is a question as to how the world deals with this most sadistic group of extreme fanatical religious Islamic terrorists, who will wantonly behead any man, woman, or child for simply nor accepting and adopting their twisted religious beliefs. Some may consider them human beings, but in reality, they are vermin of the lowest order. You cannot talk to them, negotiate with them, or even get them to try and live together, in peace, with any religious or non-religious order.

When you exterminate vermin, which also includes rats, flees, lice, etc., you do not worry about wiping out the entire nest which likely will include the entire species.

When we eventually realize that you don't fight sadistic killers like these under the Marquis of Queensbury rules, then, and only then, do we stand a chance for our future generations to avoid either having to accept Islam or having their throats slit by their offspring.

this is the cold, clear, unvarnished truth

[Kung Wu]

That's an extreme view.

I'm not arguing your point, but I am curious to know what you think would be an equally effective but non-extreme solution? By effective I mean can end the terrorism committed by ISIS on a daily basis in their pursuit of a global caliphate.

[wufan]

I'm not arguing your point, but I am curious to know what you think would be an equally effective but non-extreme solution? By effective I mean can end the terrorism committed by ISIS on a daily basis in their pursuit of a global caliphate.

I'm morally opposed to killing women and children. No issues taking down encampments that have families of terrorists living there, but hunting them down is not my thing.

[MoValley John]

I'm morally opposed to killing women and children. No issues taking down encampments that have families of terrorists living there, but hunting them down is not my thing.

Just pretend that they're prairie dogs.