ISIS

[SB Shock]

After beheading the journalist have tweeting pictures of them holding a message in front of U.S. landmarks (Chicago and Whitehouse so far) with the message of

#AmessagefromISIStoUS
We are in your state
We are in your cities
We are in your streets
You are our goals anywhere

http://wgntv.com/2014/08/21/photo-implies-isis-threat-to-chicago/

Religion of Peace...

[shocka khan]

Yes, and Christianity is the 'religion of love', too.

Guess you didn't study this part of Kansas history.....
"John Brown (May 9, 1800 – December 2, 1859) was a white American abolitionist who believed armed insurrection was the only way to overthrow the institution of slavery in the United States.[1] During the 1856 conflict in Kansas, Brown commanded forces at the Battle of Black Jack and the Battle of Osawatomie.[1] Brown's followers also killed five slavery supporters at Pottawatomie.[1] In 1859, Brown led an unsuccessful raid on the federal armory at Harpers Ferry that ended with his capture.[1] Brown's trial resulted in his conviction and a sentence of death by hanging"

I'm also going to speculate that some of Cliven Bundy's militia guests also belonged to your 'religion of peace'. Same as the guy who murdered George Tiller in a church in the middle of Sunday services, for heaven's sake.

What do your statements prove? Nothing.

I would like nothing more to see ISIS wiped off the face of the earth, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree. Christians don't have the moral high ground, no matter how you feel about it.

Religious radicals come in all shapes and sizes. It's a good thing we (in the United States) have effective policing mechanisms to keep them under control, which inhibits their ability to organize (unlike Syria and Iraq, who both have some real governance issues).

[SB Shock]

Yes, and Christianity is the 'religion of love', too.

It is clear you don't understand Christianity. Pointing out somebody sin only reinforces the point why we all need a savior. Christianity is about a God who loved his creation so much that became a man (Jesus - and yes Jesus was God) and took our punishment for our sins so we could have the Lord's grace and be forgiven.

"God's grace is freely available but in order to receive it you have to realize you are lost with out it" -- Dr. David Jerimiah

Religious radicals come in all shapes and sizes. It's a good thing we (in the United States) have effective policing mechanisms to keep them under control, which inhibits their ability to organize (unlike Syria and Iraq, who both have some real governance issues).

That is the point of the Isis tweets - they are among and are U.S. citizens and .....

[MoValley John]

????
So, a guy that kills people in his personal fight to end slavery equates a group of people of the same religion banding together to kill anyone not of their religion? I will add another poor example for you as well. An individual kills doctors and blows up abortion clinics in his individual fight against abortion equates a group of people of the same religion banding together to kill anyone not of their religion? Really? That is exceptionally poor logic. That's not even a strawman, it's just lazy.

Given example, Brown was sentenced to death by a jury of his Judeo - Christian peers. Christians did not accept his actions. As for Cliven Bundy. His statements are not generally accepted by his Christian society, either. Look at media reports about the man, not too accepted. Also, Bundy has not spewed anything resembling his condoning the killing of anyone. Bundy is very dissimilar to Isis.

Westboro Baptist. Lots of hate there. Accepted by their peers? Nope. Westboro kill anyone? Nope. Hate, yes, kill, no. Westboro brand of Christianity does not equate Islam, and more specifically, Isis.

On the other hand, all you have to do is travel to Flint, Michigan and try to find a single Muslim willing to publicly decry anything being done by Isis. They won't. They will say they are saddened that anyone was killed and make other small talk, but to get a single Muslim living in Flint to state that Isis is wrong and must be stopped would be a very difficult feat. The closest they will come is to say that it is a complicated issue that we don't understand. Isis lives among their peers without fear of being jailed or hung.

[MoValley John]

And before anyone chimes in with "More people have been killed in wars justified by religion than all other wars combined" needs to take a step back. The act of the matter is this, up to that time, more people will killed in World War 1 than in all other wars combined. World War 1 was not a religious war. World War 2 had more deaths than World War 1. If you go back through time and add up fatalities, non sectarian wars always had more casualties than religious wars. Liberals and atheists just like to spew that crap and lazy people have come to accept it as fact.

The only way this will change is if Muslims are successful in their advancing their current attempt at a world jihad.

[DUShock]

Christianity distilled down to its simplest measure is "The Greatest Commandment": Love God, Love Your Neighbor.

-- Leviticus 19:18
-- Deuteronomy 6:4-5
-- Matthew 22:35-40
-- Mark 12-28-31
-- Luke 10:25-28

Several weeks back, I thought about posting the ISIS press conference where they rolled out the severed heads of the toddlers from 1 bag and their bodies in a second. The father's were killed, some crucified, only after watching their children killed, their wives raped and then killed. ISIS is even too brutal for Al Qaeda. I know their area well as this was my Det's AO for several months.

De Oppresso Liber
In Orbe Terrum Non Visi

[SB Shock]

Bad analogy. ISIS is suni which is the major sect in Islam. They draw overwhelming support from Sunni all over the world and that is why they are very dangerous.

[Dave Stalwart]

I don't think it is useful to draw any comparisons between religions regarding this issue. I see that as someone saying "they aren't doing anything worse than other people have done, so we don't have a super solid position here."

That's what I disagree with. We do have a solid position because they are murdering people. John Brown and the Crusades and even Westboro Baptist were either stopped or are at least denounced. ISIS must be stopped by the entire world. Anyone siding with ISIS needs to check themselves. You don't allow someone to murder someone else just because someone in the history of your own family tree murdered someone once. It's still wrong every time it happens.

I can't believe there isn't more solidarity from the whole world about this. And when people say "America is the problem" or that none of this would happen if America would leave is backwards because we only went in the first place to respond to this sort of crap happening. America didn't show up first. The terrorism did. America is just seemingly the only country that cares enough about human law to lift a finger to help others. We are not the problem. Christianity is not comparable to Islam. Christianity produced a great country, full of attempts toward equality of all kinds, with resources, innovation and an entire culture of love for one another. Show me an Islamic country like America. Women are held back, people are taught fear, hate is preached in a way that even a racist American wouldn't stomach. You have to go to the KKK to find men who will do what these people do, and oh yeah, the KKK is 100% opposed here.

I'm rambling again. I'm just tired of people acting like what they are doing over there is anything other than just wrong.

[Kung Wu]

????

STOP! Any attempt to use logic to massacre his arguments could cause you to spiral into his black hole of fallacies, never to return. You have been warned.

So, a guy that kills people in his personal fight to end slavery equates a group of people of the same religion banding together to kill anyone not of their religion? I will add another poor example for you as well. An individual kills doctors and blows up abortion clinics in his individual fight against abortion equates a group of people of the same religion banding together to kill anyone not of their religion? Really? That is exceptionally poor logic. That's not even a strawman, it's just lazy.

Given example, Brown was sentenced to death by a jury of his Judeo - Christian peers. Christians did not accept his actions. As for Cliven Bundy. His statements are not generally accepted by his Christian society, either. Look at media reports about the man, not too accepted. Also, Bundy has not spewed anything resembling his condoning the killing of anyone. Bundy is very dissimilar to Isis.

Westboro Baptist. Lots of hate there. Accepted by their peers? Nope. Westboro kill anyone? Nope. Hate, yes, kill, no. Westboro brand of Christianity does not equate Islam, and more specifically, Isis.

On the other hand, all you have to do is travel to Flint, Michigan and try to find a single Muslim willing to publicly decry anything being done by Isis. They won't. They will say they are saddened that anyone was killed and make other small talk, but to get a single Muslim living in Flint to state that Isis is wrong and must be stopped would be a very difficult feat. The closest they will come is to say that it is a complicated issue that we don't understand. Isis lives among their peers without fear of being jailed or hung.

Oh Lord .... I'm too late ....... byyyyyyyyyyye Johhhhhhhn!!!!!!!! Send a post card if you come out of the other side of the worm hole!

[shocka khan]

You conservative Christian drama queens are keeping me in stitches today. The REAL reason our 'wonderful Christians' don't go around murdering more abortion doctors isn't because Christians have such good self-control, it's because of society's norms and the rule of law.

Look at what some good catholic (99% of Mexicans are Catholic) just did:

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/08/zacatecas-decapitated-body-of-zetas.html

There have been a number of beheadings in Tamulipas this week, probably some of them who spend a great deal of money on their burial sites (some of them are very elaborate) as a testament to their religion. Unfortunately, it does not stop them from murdering their competition (and the police) . They just go to confession and have the priest forgive them for their sins.

Of course, Mexico's legal system is for sale. That's why many practicing catholics who are cartel members think nothing of cutting the heads off their enemies.

I agree with the opinions posted here by others. Shia's who control ISIS hate Sunnis and are butchering them as well.

MoValleyJohn, how do you know that all Muslims do not condone the behavior of ISIS. I bet the Sunnis hate them. I bet they condone that behavior. I'm not going to make unequivocal statements like you did, I would ask you provide something more than antecodtal information (i.e. polls statistics or facts) to back up your contentions about Muslims in Detroit supporting ISIS. Not all of them do. MoValleyJohn also conveniently forgets to inform us that Robert E. Lee apprehended John Brown and his assistants who attacked a federal ammunition depot, he was tried in a slave state and was sentenced to death by hanging. Kind of hard for an abolitionist to get sympathy in a slave state, that's an easy point to make.

I think there are peaceful, law-abiding muslims who totally disagree with ISIS.

I think that religion is a great tool to use by society to enforce norms and behavior standards. I think there are peaceful, law-abiding muslims who I think it is a useful sociological platform to guide everyone's behavior.

Unfortunately, I've seen too many Christians who can quote the bible but don't live by its values. I'm enjoying the comments and I'm having fun watching you validate my opinion about how people don't live their faith actively. Many of you who have responded to me negatively can talk the talk, but not walk the walk.

Now, I'll just get my popcorn and watch you folks attack me again. And get a good laugh out of it.

[wu_shizzle]

God bless you!

[DUShock]

I sincerely believe most folks attend church to be a better person not because they believe are better than others.

I attend because I want to be a better person and not because I am better than others; Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist, or other. All of these groups have good people, each has hate filled whackos, and each has evil people within.

At the end of day, if everyone practiced The Golden Rule the world would be a better place. But then again as an Episcopalian we strive, but do not always attain, to have an open heart, an open mind, and open doors.

[Play Angry]

I don't think condone means what you think it means.

[wufan]

To say:

ISIS is bad.
ISIS is Muslim.
Therefore Muslims are bad.

Is not a logical argument. Although the first two statements are true, the third is not necessarily true unless all Muslims are ISIS, which isn't the case.

A logical argument would be:

ISIS is Bad
ISIS is Muslim

Therefore, some Muslims are bad.

If you substitute the word 'ISIS' with 'Westborough Baptist', and the word 'Muslim' with the word 'Christian', the same conclusion will be drawn.

[MoValley John]

So Mexican drug lord lawlessness equates religious killing? Okay, now I get it. Wow!