Romney's Mormon Beliefs

[SB Shock]

Tell me why this is an important issue again?

Because it provides insight into their morality. In that aspect Mormans in general are very upstanding (since they are a work based religion).

Fine to criticize politicians for their record, their policy statements, etc., but for their religion? Really? Some things just need to be off limits.

. Nope. They way he lives his life is important (maybe not to you, but some).

I don't care what God Romney prays to, that's his business and has nothing to do with this campaign.

What if he was a satanist? Or radical Islamist? These things don't matter?

In this country we have this thing called the Constitution which protects the freedom of religion.

it protects you from the government from naming a state religion, it protects your choice in choosing whether you worship - it doesn't protect you from those choices u make.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

Because it provides insight into their morality. In that aspect Mormans in general are very upstanding (since they are a work based religion).


. Nope. They way he lives his life is important (maybe not to you, but some).

What if he was a satanist? Or radical Islamist? These things don't matter?


it protects you from the government from naming a state religion, it protects your choice in choosing whether you worship - it doesn't protect you from those choices u make.

I will agree in principle with pretty much everything you said, but let me say we shouldn't judge people by what religion they follow. If he were satanist I wouldn't care, or radical Islamist for that matter. If those beliefs manifest themselves into political beliefs, or if the candidate wants to impose his or her religious beliefs on the rest of us (for example, wants the government to make a law requiring women to wear traditional Muslim attire), then I will take issue with that. But I won't vote against someone--or judge someone--based on their religion. That's pretty narrow-minded. It's not for us to judge a person's character, that's God's job. I have a good friend who is Mormon, and regardless of whether or not I agree with his religious beliefs, to me he is one of the most decent and trust worthy guys I know. I've known some Muslims in my days, and they too have been wonderful people. Know a Jewish guy too, he's pretty cool. Xenophobia seems to be trending up in this country right now, which is rather alarming to me.

As for Romney, I haven't seen any evidence that his Mormon beliefs dictate his policy, so let's judge him on his political beliefs, not his religious ones.

[Kung Wu]

I will agree in principle with pretty much everything you said, but let me say we shouldn't judge people by what religion they follow. If he were satanist I wouldn't care, or radical Islamist for that matter. If those beliefs manifest themselves into political beliefs, or if the candidate wants to impose his or her religious beliefs on the rest of us (for example, wants the government to make a law requiring women to wear traditional Muslim attire), then I will take issue with that. But I won't vote against someone--or judge someone--based on their religion. That's pretty narrow-minded. It's not for us to judge a person's character, that's God's job. I have a good friend who is Mormon, and regardless of whether or not I agree with his religious beliefs, to me he is one of the most decent and trust worthy guys I know. I've known some Muslims in my days, and they too have been wonderful people. Know a Jewish guy too, he's pretty cool. Xenophobia seems to be trending up in this country right now, which is rather alarming to me.

As for Romney, I haven't seen any evidence that his Mormon beliefs dictate his policy, so let's judge him on his political beliefs, not his religious ones.

Pretty level headed overall.

Is it possible for a person to be a radical Islamist and not interject their beliefs into their politics? Radical Islamists appear to believe in only one law, Sharia Law, and that's it. Their mindset is that "If your state doesn't mandate Sharia Law, then it must be overthrown".

Next, do "satanists" really even exist? It's not hard to believe that anyone claiming to be a satanist is just a mentally ill person trying to be contrarian or spiteful or seeking attention (and probably needs lots of psychological attention).

[SB Shock]

How can not your moral beliefs not manifest themselves in your political beliefs? Fir example - Sorry you can't say you are pro-life in your personal life and then support abortion politically.

[C0|dB|00ded]

Tell me why this is an important issue again? Fine to criticize politicians for their record, their policy statements, etc., but for their religion? Really? Some things just need to be off limits. I don't care what God Romney prays to, that's his business and has nothing to do with this campaign. In this country we have this thing called the Constitution which protects the freedom of religion.

This is not about "who someone prays to", this is about mind control. If Romney is voted in, did we elect Romney or his church?


http://www.janishutchinson.com/agenda.html


Here's a little light reading courtesy of an Ex Mormon who was trapped in the cult for 34 years.


T


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[rrshock]

How can not your moral beliefs not manifest themselves in your political beliefs? Fir example - Sorry you can't say you are pro-life in your personal life and then support abortion politically.

Good point. I always thought they go hand in hand.

[Kung Wu]

How can not your moral beliefs not manifest themselves in your political beliefs? Fir example - Sorry you can't say you are pro-life in your personal life and then support abortion politically.

JFK, out of necessity, tackled this brilliantly .. here is an excerpt from one of his speeches:

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote--where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference--and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish--where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source--where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials--and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

For while this year it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it has been, and may someday be again, a Jew--or a Quaker--or a Unitarian--or a Baptist. It was Virginia's harassment of Baptist preachers, for example, that helped lead to Jefferson's statute of religious freedom. Today I may be the victim--but tomorrow it may be you--until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great national peril.

[SB Shock]

JFK, out of necessity, tackled this brilliantly .. here is an excerpt from one of his speeches:

That is addressing an issue of institutional influence. If you really think your personal convictions wont effect your political decisions then you have weak convictions or are not being truthfull.

[_kai_]

I saw the title of this thread and cringed that I would have to put my mod hat on.

Way to go on keeping this religious & political discussion civil. It's pretty awesome to read and not see people bursting blood vessels.

[pinstripers]

I have decided to vote for the Morman and the Mick instead of the Muslim and the Moron.

[C0|dB|00ded]

I have decided to vote for the Morman and the Mick instead of the Muslim and the Moron.

By definition, O'bummer is more Christian than Romney. Obama is not a Muslim. If he is, he is the worst practicing Muslim in the history of their religion and would be running for his life as a citizen of any Muslim nation.

The fact is, politics and arguments about politics are for the easily entertained. I learned long ago that the whole business of politics is about as realistic as the movies I enjoy watching at the Warren. It's all smoke and mirrors, paid audiences, and special interest groups. I truly think the people that still get upset about politics have intelligence issues. It.. ain't.. real.. people...

As far as my politics are concerned; I'm free market and conservative, which ironically is an atheistic position (the strong shall survive). If Christ was a politician, he would surely be a socialist. The only problem with that is, socialism would destroy our way of life in America. It would promote weakness, stifle innovation and ambition, and generally make us all poor and enslaved (the weak shall inherit the earth).

So to sum up what will probably be my final contribution ever in the politics forum: There are no real candidates to choose from this year. I will once again be writing in my favorite cartoon character for president.


T


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[1979Shocker]

How can not your moral beliefs not manifest themselves in your political beliefs? Fir example - Sorry you can't say you are pro-life in your personal life and then support abortion politically.

I don't think a real Christian can even be President and still keep his/her beliefs. When I say real Christian, I mean those that actually follow Jesus teachings (turn the other check, love their enemies, keep the 10 commands, etc). They'd have to get away from their beliefs just to sent people into war. I call people, like Obama and Romney, "professing" Christians, but not real Christians. They profess to the world that they are Christians, but they really aren't. This is all in my opinion.

[WuDrWu]

I have decided to vote for the Morman and the Mick instead of the Muslim and the Moron.

I've got to start paying closer attention to politics. I didn't even know Biden was a Muslim.

[SB Shock]

I don't think a real Christian can even be President and still keep his/her beliefs. When I say real Christian, I mean those that actually follow Jesus teachings (turn the other check, love their enemies, keep the 10 commands, etc). They'd have to get away from their beliefs just to sent people into war. I call people, like Obama and Romney, "professing" Christians, but not real Christians. They profess to the world that they are Christians, but they really aren't. This is all in my opinion.

I agree that there are those who "professing christians" but it is all for show or in some case used for networking. I think that is covered well in Matthew 7:13-23. This verse is a warning for the "professing" but "who practice lawlessness". The gate is narrow. All the more reason to look at candidate moral convictions by his actions.


I think you are wrong that a Leader can't be a Christian if he goes to war. You might want to study Romans 13

Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.

4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to [execute] wrath on him who practices evil.