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    The FBI Lied to a Judge So They Could Bust Open Thousands of Safety Deposit Boxes



    According to a new report from the LA Times, FBI agents busted into thousands of safety deposit boxes in California. After they rummaged through the private property of innocent people, it turns out they lied to a federal judge to get access to the boxes in the first place.

    "The privacy invasion was vast when FBI agents drilled and pried their way into 1,400 safe-deposit boxes at the U.S. Private Vaults store in Beverly Hills. They rummaged through personal belongings of a jazz saxophone player, an interior designer, a retired doctor, a flooring contractor, two Century City lawyers and hundreds of others," the LA Times reports. "Agents took photos and videos of pay stubs, password lists, credit cards, a prenuptial agreement, immigration and vaccination records, bank statements, heirlooms and a will, court records show. In one box, agents found cremated human remains."

    "Eighteen months later, newly unsealed court documents show that the FBI and U.S. attorney’s office in Los Angeles got their warrant for that raid by misleading the judge who approved it," the report continues. "They omitted from their warrant request a central part of the FBI’s plan: Permanent confiscation of everything inside every box containing at least $5,000 in cash or goods, a senior FBI agent recently testified."

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    Whatchagonnadoaboutit?
    Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!

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    • #3
      In total, $86 million in cash with more in gold, silver, and jewelry was taken by the federal government from over 1,400 safety deposit boxes under the guise of them being connected to crimes.

      Some of it may very well have been connected to crimes, who knows, but the lack of due process is disturbing.

      The judge was not told of the plan when he issued the warrant, and as far as I can tell, there’s still no reason to believe the FBI had any justification to do what they did. What “crimes” had been committed? What evidence did they have that the property in the boxes was gained via illegitimate means? Apparently, there was an investigation into U.S. Private Vaults, which rented out the boxes, but the dots were never connected to those who had their stuff in the boxes. Yet, their assets were seized anyway.


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      • #4
        This would seem like the kind of thing a congressional oversight committee ought to look into. Just my 2 cents. There may be a good reason. I'm a conservative, and I like most of the reporting from townhall, but I don't take anyone's word as fact anymore, either side. And while I'm always skeptical of the leftwing rags, I'm finding myself moving that way of the conservative ones too.
        "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ShockerPrez View Post
          This would seem like the kind of thing a congressional oversight committee ought to look into. Just my 2 cents. There may be a good reason. I'm a conservative, and I like most of the reporting from townhall, but I don't take anyone's word as fact anymore, either side. And while I'm always skeptical of the leftwing rags, I'm finding myself moving that way of the conservative ones too.

          I think that is probably wise, although I think the leftwing rags have the same anything goes attitude and are willing to make up things are flat out lie about things as the left has in general. I find the right wing rags to report more factually but they do put a right wing spin on things and sometimes, while what they report is true they may not be providing the full picture.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ShockerPrez View Post
            This would seem like the kind of thing a congressional oversight committee ought to look into. Just my 2 cents. There may be a good reason. I'm a conservative, and I like most of the reporting from townhall, but I don't take anyone's word as fact anymore, either side. And while I'm always skeptical of the leftwing rags, I'm finding myself moving that way of the conservative ones too.
            I no longer trust any news sources at face value.
            Livin the dream

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            • #7
              Seems to be more to the story

              A business that rented safe deposit boxes in Beverly Hills to customers who wished to remain anonymous was fined $1.1 million Monday for money laundering after admitting it sought drug traffickers and other criminals as customers who often kept stacks of illegally obtained cash in their personal vaults.

              The company pleaded guilty in March through an attorney to a federal charge of conspiracy to launder money.

              U.S. District Judge Mark Scarsi sentenced U.S. Private Vaults to three years of probation and the maximum fine of $1.1 million. He also ordered that a preliminary order of forfeiture of its business equipment be made final.


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              • #8
                Originally posted by SB Shock View Post
                Seems to be more to the story


                I also found it interesting that they seized $86 million from 1400 boxes. That’s over $60k per box. That’s a lot of assets for each individual to be holding.

                Civil asset forfeiture is a problem either way.
                Livin the dream

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                • #9
                  I am ok with asset forfeiture as long as there is due process. It seems that step is being left out. Even when well intentioned, government overreach is still government overreach. Allowing it in one instance sets the precedence for the next. The government cannot be trusted with unchecked power. Ever.
                  Go Shocks!

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                  • #10
                    They say mafia dudes get 50% of the money you put in to get laundered, which makes it easy for the casino mob bosses to just bet lots of smallish amounts on either red or black over and over and over at the roulette table and 50% of the money you put in comes out clean. Not _exactly_ sure how that works though. I accidentally discovered a much more lucrative way to launder money though where you get back 100% of what you put in ... simply leave it in your jeans and give the jeans to your wife. After the second dry cycle my ones were spotless.
                    Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ShockerDropOut View Post
                      I am ok with asset forfeiture as long as there is due process. It seems that step is being left out. Even when well intentioned, government overreach is still government overreach. Allowing it in one instance sets the precedence for the next. The government cannot be trusted with unchecked power. Ever.
                      Civil asset forfeiture is seizure of property of a criminal, not the seizure of money earned or used in a crime. It’s a punishment beyond incarceration and fine. It’s theft, and once it’s done, it is up to the victim to petition the government.
                      Livin the dream

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                      • #12
                        New Details of Outrageous FBI Raid on Catholic Activist Mark Houck Shock the Conscience



                        Note: This source is a conservative publication.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by wufan View Post

                          Civil asset forfeiture is seizure of property of a criminal, not the seizure of money earned or used in a crime. It’s a punishment beyond incarceration and fine. It’s theft, and once it’s done, it is up to the victim to petition the government.
                          Civil forfeiture is just plain wrong. I have known people who have had their cars taken and other assets just because the police just smelled pot or just suspect that a crime may have happened. It takes a long time and a lot of legal expense to get assets back. It is like you are assumed to be Quilty of a crime and they take your assets before you have had any chance to make your case. Seems very un-American to me.

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                          • #14
                            Sean Langille

                            @SeanLangille

                            NEW: During questioning from Special Counsel John Durham, Brian Auten, a supervisory counter intelligence analyst with the FBI, revealed the FBI offered Christopher Steele one million dollars if he could corroborate allegations in the Dossier, but that Steele could not do so.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by pinstripers View Post
                              Sean Langille

                              @SeanLangille

                              NEW: During questioning from Special Counsel John Durham, Brian Auten, a supervisory counter intelligence analyst with the FBI, revealed the FBI offered Christopher Steele one million dollars if he could corroborate allegations in the Dossier, but that Steele could not do so.
                              Yet, the FBI still ran with it.

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