#WatchUs Make Change

[Kung Wu]

Thats like, your opinion man.

Please stop posting political posts in the Basketball forum. I have moved your earlier posts to the Politics forum.

[Stickboy46]

Please stop posting political posts in the Basketball forum. I have moved your earlier posts to the Politics forum.

Thank you!

[ShockingButTrue]

It's not intended to disrespect the flag, but it looks like they are disrespecting the flag, if that makes sense.

[shox526]

It's not intended to disrespect the flag, but it looks like they are disrespecting the flag, if that makes sense.

The counterpoint being: opposing people’s right to express themselves by kneeling isn’t intended to show opposition to their cause, but it looks like opposition.

[ShockingButTrue]

The counterpoint being: opposing people’s right to express themselves by kneeling isn’t intended to show opposition to their cause, but it looks like opposition.

Bingo. One can oppose it and not be racist.

Additionally, when one displays ignorance by assuming someone who says "all lives matter" is a racist, which is obviously not true; anymore than someone kneeling before the flag is saying "f*** America."

[Atxshoxfan]

It's wonderful that we have thought police to straighten out the thinking of we who need corrected.
heres a thought (hope they don't arrest me for it). I don't give a damn what color you are, or what religion. I only care about ones character. Kneeling when the flag is raised, only shows how little one thinks of America and all those who fought for our freedom.
That doesn't mean they are bad people. Unappreciative ? Maybe
Play ball for Christ's sake!

[Stickboy46]

Bingo. One can oppose it and not be racist.

Additionally, when one displays ignorance by assuming someone who says "all lives matter" is a racist, which is obviously not true; anymore than someone kneeling before the flag is saying "f*** America."

To me the actual phrase "All lives matter" makes sense if you take it face value. The problem is it was started as a way to shut down Black lives matter. So instead of all lives matter meaning "we should treat everyone equally and we should try to make that happen", it has instead been used to basically say "I don't want to focus on what is happening to black lives because all lives matter, so because things are ok for whites and others we don't need to try to change anything".

Back on topic though. The team felt strongly enough to make and post this. If you see these kids as anything more than something to entertain you, then you should be behind it. They are peacefully protesting what they feel is wrong. Even if they would kneel... That or this video does not negatively affect someone's life in any way shape or form. So what's the harm in them doing what they think will potentially change their lives for the better.

[Stickboy46]

It's wonderful that we have thought police to straighten out the thinking of we who need corrected.
heres a thought (hope they don't arrest me for it). I don't give a damn what color you are, or what religion. I only care about ones character. Kneeling when the flag is raised, only shows how little one thinks of America and all those who fought for our freedom.
That doesn't mean they are bad people. Unappreciative ? Maybe
Play ball for Christ's sake!

People who think that others shouldn't be able to exercise their first amendment right to peacefully protest just shows how little one thinks of America and all who fought for the freedom to do so.

That doesn't mean they are bad people. Unappreciative? Maybe

See I can twist stuff around too..

[Aargh]

In the last several weeks we've watched two murders on TV.

In one of them, three people essentially hunted and shot a man. One of the three actually filmed the hunt and the killing. The justification I've heard for that killing is that the victim didn't obey simple commands. I don't believe any American has any duty to obey commands from a couple of civilians in a pickup.

In the other, a cop kneeled on a man's neck for nearly 9 minutes, while the victim said he couldn't breathe and people watching the incident told the cop he was killing the man. When citizens attempted to approach the victim, they were threatened with pepper spray.

A discusiion of a response to those murders got started on Shockernet. Instead of discussing ways to move forward and hope to prevent repeats of those killings, the conversation turned into a discussion of whether kneeling during the national anthem is disrespecting the flag.

Disrespecting human life is more important to me than whether someone kneels during the anthem.

I don't care if it's 3 white guys hunting down and shooting a black guy or if it's three black guys hunting down and killing a white man. Both are equally heinous. I think there would have been arrests made a little quicker if three black guys in Georgia had used a shotgun on a white guy.

[shox526]

Bingo. One can oppose it and not be racist.

Additionally, when one displays ignorance by assuming someone who says "all lives matter" is a racist, which is obviously not true; anymore than someone kneeling before the flag is saying "f*** America."

You missed my point. Seems your (and many people’s) perspective is that opposing kneeling should not be viewed as anti-BLM because the intent of that position is not to be anti-BLM, but pro-flag. But when someone kneels and says their intent is not to be anti-flag but pro-BLM, it is the perception and not the intent that matters?

Stickboy and Aargh said it well. Does it occur to those condemning kneeing that APPEARING to be more supportive of a symbol than of human life or the pleas of your common man leads to the kind of anger that leads to protests? If freedom of expression is looked down upon in the interest of supporting a flag that allegedly symbolizes freedom, what’s the point? I have not kneeled myself, but I choose to respect the flag and the sacrifices of the military, veterans, etc. by staunchly defending everyone’s freedoms so long as they do not infringe on the rights of others. I presume that is what they signed up to fight for, moreso than a symbol.

[David Rahm]

Wow, the one place I can go to get away from politics and just enjoy my love of my alma mater, WSU, is now politicized.
Can't we just get back to basketball?

[ShockTalk]

Wow, the one place I can go to get away from politics and just enjoy my love of my alma mater, WSU, is now politicized.
Can't we just get back to basketball?

How is that? You clicked on a thread within the politics forum. People will discuss what is most important on their minds and right now (for others reasons), there just isn't much new on the sports scene.

[Kung Wu]

How is that? You clicked on a thread within the politics forum. People will discuss what is most important on their minds and right now (for others reasons), there just isn't much new on the sports scene.

It wasn't in the politics forum at the time he posted it.

[ShockTalk]

It wasn't in the politics forum at the time he posted it.

Thanks Kung Wu and my apologies to David Rahm .

[wufan]

Most people can have two thoughts at one time. Most people can understand we have a right to peaceably protest and that we have a right to peaceably counter-protest. Most people understand that people that disagree with you on one topic don’t disagree with you on everything. Most people understand that there is no “correct opinion” and that those that have a differing opinion are NOT your enemy.