Sub's Alternative Energy Thread

[Atxshoxfan]

Cutting thru all the BS global warming is a hoax on our dumbed down population, Secondly, even if there is do any of you really believe our incompetent gov't could do anything about it? The whole idea is just being used by the elitists to soak the general public and empower themselves

I read somewhere that green energy companies have been subsidized over $35,000,000,000 ( that's billions) over the past few years. Inflation sucks more tax dollars from us by way of state and local sales taxes and the feds get more of our tax dollars at the pump. So government makes more, green energy is getting richer by the hour all at the expense of tax payers, who will be required to spend even more to accommodate the attacks on all appliances and vehicles.
In contrast the oil industry subsidies over the same time frame was at $1,000,000,000 (billion) . Way too high but at least 35 times less than the green energy sector.
Feds don't spend money like it's the citizens money. They spend it like it's grains of sand from the Sahara dessert. Keeps their buddies in the big bucks who generally feed some back to their favorite politicians.

[asiseeit]

Cutting thru all the BS global warming is a hoax on our dumbed down population, Secondly, even if there is do any of you really believe our incompetent gov't could do anything about it? The whole idea is just being used by the elitists to soak the general public and empower themselves

[ShockTalk]

We're not the only country having people who question "New and Safer" energy. Also, having the ability of national news outlets being fair and objective. A fairly long news article, but it brings up more about the positives versus negatives of wind turbines as it goes along. Didn't know about the BPA particles.

Farmer Grant Piper slams ABC for 'hiding the truth' about wind turbines, claiming it selectively edited a 7.30 story (msn.com)

[Atxshoxfan]

New Solar-Powered Desalinator Keeps Producing Clean Water Without Needing Sunshine



Sounds like there's also a goal to implement this in the agricultural industry in developed countries to increase the usable water supply they need for irrigation and such and to reduce the need to use fossil fuels for such. Seems like a potential win/win for everyone if MIT and company can pull it off on that scale. It would also potentially free up energy use for other areas.

Problem with anything like this, is that our Government agencies see a glimmer of hope that it may work, so they mandate its use for everyone before it is fully feasible and they use no cost to the public in their decision making on these matters.

[SubGod22]

New Solar-Powered Desalinator Keeps Producing Clean Water Without Needing Sunshine

Scientists have developed a new solar-powered system to convert saltwater into fresh drinking water which they say could help reduce dangerous the risk of waterborne diseases like cholera.

Via tests in rural communities, they showed that the process is more than 20% cheaper than traditional methods and can be deployed in rural locations around the globe.

Building on existing processes that convert saline groundwater to freshwater, the researchers from King’s College London, in collaboration with MIT and the Helmholtz Institute for Renewable Energy Systems, created a new system that produced consistent levels of water using solar power, and reported it in a paper published recently in Nature Water

It works through a process called electrodialysis which separates the salt using a set of specialized membranes that channel salt ions into a stream of brine, leaving the water fresh and drinkable. By flexibly adjusting the voltage and the rate at which salt water flowed through the system, the researchers developed a system that adjusts to variable sunshine while not compromising on the amount of fresh drinking water produced.

Using data first gathered in the village of Chelleru near Hyderabad in India, and then recreating these conditions of the village in New Mexico, the team successfully converted up to 10 cubic meters, or several bathtubs worth of fresh drinking water. This was enough for 3,000 people a day with the process continuing to run regardless of variable solar power caused by cloud coverage and rain.

Dr. Wei He from the Department of Engineering at King’s College London believes the new technology could bring massive benefits to rural communities, not only increasing the supply of drinking water but also bringing health benefits.

“By offering a cheap, eco-friendly alternative that can be operated off the grid, our technology enables communities to tap into alternative water sources (such as deep aquifers or saline water) to address water scarcity and contamination in traditional water supplies,” said He.

“This technology can expand water sources available to communities beyond traditional ones and by providing water from uncontaminated saline sources, may help combat water scarcity or unexpected emergencies when conventional water supplies are disrupted, for example like the recent cholera outbreaks in Zambia.”

In the global rural population, 1.6 billion people face water scarcity, many of whom are reliant on stressed reserves of groundwater lying beneath the Earth’s surface.

However, worldwide 56% of groundwater is saline and unsuitable for consumption. This issue is particularly prevalent in India, where 60% of the land harbors undrinkable saline water. Consequently, there is a pressing need for efficient desalination methods to create fresh drinking water cheaply, and at scale.

Sounds like there's also a goal to implement this in the agricultural industry in developed countries to increase the usable water supply they need for irrigation and such and to reduce the need to use fossil fuels for such. Seems like a potential win/win for everyone if MIT and company can pull it off on that scale. It would also potentially free up energy use for other areas.

[ShockerPrez]

Climate: The Movie (The Cold Truth)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmfRG8-RHEI

1 hour, 20 minute documentary/opinion piece. I found it to be pretty interesting and informative.

I watched it as well. I found it hilarious trying to find it on youtube when I first heard about it, as it is hidden by yutube Pretty much common sense stuff if one was to critically think about the topic. Eliminating debate, especially with science should always be a red flag.

[1972Shocker]

Climate: The Movie (The Cold Truth)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmfRG8-RHEI

1 hour, 20 minute documentary/opinion piece. I found it to be pretty interesting and informative.

[SubGod22]

This obviously could only be done on this level in a relatively few areas, but it seems like a great avenue for areas that it could work in.

Liverpool is Building the World's Largest Tidal Power Project to Power a Million Homes

The River Mersey and the Bay of Liverpool are the largest assets this famous English city possesses, and attempting to beat the British government to a net-zero economy, Liverpool City Region have entered phase 3 planning stage to build the largest tidal power plant on Earth.

Schemes to harness the predictable power of the tides in Liverpool Bay date back to 1924, and with one of the largest tidal ranges of any coastal city in the UK, government utility Mersey Tidal Power believe that they can power 1 million homes and protect the city from floodwaters, all without disturbing the local estuarine ecosystem.

Mersey Tidal Power have released precious little information on the plans thus far, but Eletrek reports that a large dam would be a barrier between the Irish Sea and a tidal basin. Underneath the dam would be large turbines and sluice gates which would open as the tide comes in, pulling water onto the turbines to generate energy.

The gates would close as the 10-meter-high tide finishes, and as the gravity of the moon begins to pull on the water four hours later, the gates would open, causing it to rush past the turbines a second time, generating more clean energy.

“I think that we have a unique opportunity to harness the power of our greatest natural assets—our river and our people—to deliver a cleaner, greener, more prosperous future for our children,” said Liverpool mayor Steve Rotherham.

Tidal power projects are few and far between in both scale and reliability, but like geothermal power, they offer an alternative to sun and wind power which can be interrupted by weather conditions.

[asiseeit]

good one

[Atxshoxfan]

I believe this was done in 1978

[Kung Wu]

I like how the dude steps in and basically says, "Let me handle this, senator". Then just throws him on his ass. Reminds me of the scene in airplane when they all get in line to beat on the psychotic lady.

What would happen if a Republican senator's thug had thrown a climate protestor down on his ass?

[ShockerPrez]

I like how the dude steps in and basically says, "Let me handle this, senator". Then just throws him on his ass. Reminds me of the scene in airplane when they all get in line to beat on the psychotic lady.

[WstateU]

[ShockTalk]

Dam removal project in the PNW to ‘save the salmon’ ends up pushing the population towards extinction

Klamath Dam Removal: ‘It’s an Environmental Disaster’

The removal of dams along the Klamath River in Siskiyou County, Northern California was sold as necessary to save salmon – specifically, ‘to restore habitat for endangered fish.’

‘Drawdown of three reservoirs on the Klamath River is well underway, and this step in the dam removal process has already dramatically altered the landscape along the river in Southern Oregon and far Northern California,’ OPB.org reported. ‘Iron Gate, the lowest of the three remaining dams, was first breached on Jan. 9, followed by J.C. Boyle on Jan. 16. On Jan. 23, a concrete plug in the tunnel at the base of Copco 1 was blasted away. The reservoirs drained swiftly, leaving behind vast expanses of fissured mud the color and consistency of chocolate cake batter. The Klamath River is winding through the naked landscape, finding its new shape.’

It sounded good on paper – at least it did to the bureaucrats agitating for it.

But according to local officials, ‘it’s an environmental disaster.’

‘I’ve been around natural disasters all of my life, and I’ve never seen anything like this,’ Siskiyou County Supervisor Ray Haupt recently told the Globe. ‘The river is essentially dead, as is everything in it.’

Haupt was a District Ranger in the Klamath National Forest for 33 years, retired in 2010, and now owns a Forest and Natural Resources Consulting Business. He is a California Registered Professional Forester, a member of the California Professional Foresters Association, an Ag advisor for Etna High School and the College of the Siskiyous tech programs, and is an author of multiple Forest Management and Fire Policies for NAFSR, the National Association of Forest Services Retirees.

Haupt said the sediment plume extends 2 miles into the ocean. And he and local residents are witnessing a massive salmon extinction event [emphasis added].

Where once there was a river, now there is this:
STUPID!!!!


Klamath Dams Down: Will Ranches Survive? Dam removal proponents claimed the project would help salmon, but steelhead trout are dead, and salmon spawning beds destroyed & four hydroelectric dams have been breached.

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Hey, at least they had good intentions.

STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!!!!

[1972Shocker]

Dam removal project in the PNW to ‘save the salmon’ ends up pushing the population towards extinction

Klamath Dam Removal: ‘It’s an Environmental Disaster’

The removal of dams along the Klamath River in Siskiyou County, Northern California was sold as necessary to save salmon – specifically, ‘to restore habitat for endangered fish.’

‘Drawdown of three reservoirs on the Klamath River is well underway, and this step in the dam removal process has already dramatically altered the landscape along the river in Southern Oregon and far Northern California,’ OPB.org reported. ‘Iron Gate, the lowest of the three remaining dams, was first breached on Jan. 9, followed by J.C. Boyle on Jan. 16. On Jan. 23, a concrete plug in the tunnel at the base of Copco 1 was blasted away. The reservoirs drained swiftly, leaving behind vast expanses of fissured mud the color and consistency of chocolate cake batter. The Klamath River is winding through the naked landscape, finding its new shape.’

It sounded good on paper – at least it did to the bureaucrats agitating for it.

But according to local officials, ‘it’s an environmental disaster.’

‘I’ve been around natural disasters all of my life, and I’ve never seen anything like this,’ Siskiyou County Supervisor Ray Haupt recently told the Globe. ‘The river is essentially dead, as is everything in it.’

Haupt was a District Ranger in the Klamath National Forest for 33 years, retired in 2010, and now owns a Forest and Natural Resources Consulting Business. He is a California Registered Professional Forester, a member of the California Professional Foresters Association, an Ag advisor for Etna High School and the College of the Siskiyous tech programs, and is an author of multiple Forest Management and Fire Policies for NAFSR, the National Association of Forest Services Retirees.

Haupt said the sediment plume extends 2 miles into the ocean. And he and local residents are witnessing a massive salmon extinction event [emphasis added].

Where once there was a river, now there is this:



Klamath Dams Down: Will Ranches Survive? Dam removal proponents claimed the project would help salmon, but steelhead trout are dead, and salmon spawning beds destroyed & four hydroelectric dams have been breached.

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Hey, at least they had good intentions.