Sub's Alternative Energy Thread

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MIT Climate Scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen: 'Demonization of CO2 is irrational at best and even modest warming is mostly beneficial.' - 'When someone says this is the warmest temperature on record. What are they talking about? It’s just nonsense. This is a very tiny change period.'

Princeton Physicist Dr. Will Happer: 'Policies to slow CO2 emissions are really based on nonsense. We are being led down a false path. To call carbon dioxide a pollutant is really Orwellian. You are calling something a pollutant that we all produce. Where does that lead us eventually?'

Greenpeace Co-Founder Dr. Patrick Moore: 'We are dealing with pure political propaganda that has nothing to do with science.'

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MIT Climate Scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen: 'Demonization of CO2 is irrational at best and even modest warming is mostly beneficial.' - 'When someone says this is the warmest temperature on record. What are they talking about? It’s just nonsense. This is a very tiny change period.'

Princeton Physicist Dr. Will Happer: 'Policies to slow CO2 emissions are really based on nonsense. We are being led down a false path. To call carbon dioxide a pollutant is really Orwellian. You are calling something a pollutant that we all produce. Where does that lead us eventually?'

Greenpeace Co-Founder Dr. Patrick Moore: 'We are dealing with pure political propaganda that has nothing to do with science.'

Dr. Will Happer also said CO2's treatment is similar to how Jews were treated by Nazis. He's obviously willing to say anything to get into the spotlight. [Source]
Dr. Patrick Moore did not co-found Greenpeace. He was involved with it from really early on, before they changed their name. He's honestly one of the most ridiculous of all the "experts" on both sides of the debate. He was incredibly opposed to nuclear power during his Greenpeace days, and now he's paid by the Nuclear Energy Institute? It's not like he received extra education or anything. His PhD occurred before the Greenpeace days. He just saw an opportunity to make some money. [Source]

Regardless, individual quotes are so misleading on this topic. Why should an environmentalist believe Lindzen, Happer, and Moore as opposed to the vast majority on the other side of the debate? One and two sentence quotes won't convince anyone to change sides.

[pinstripers]

"Vast" is a word that should only be used with "right-wing conspiracy."

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Regardless, individual quotes are so misleading on this topic. Why should an environmentalist believe Lindzen, Happer, and Moore as opposed to the vast majority on the other side of the debate? One and two sentence quotes won't convince anyone to change sides.

Just because one has more useful idiots on it's side doesn't make them right.

Problem is for true scientists, their is mounting evidence that the climate models are broken and there is this inconvenient pause that can't be ignore since it has been going on for almost 20 years. It will be interesting to see the outcome of congress possible subpoena of NOAA after whistleblower scientist with NOAA came forward and complained there was manipulated data to advance President Obama’s agenda and timed the study’s release to coincide with the administration’s new limits on emissions from coal plants.

[wufan]

I was able to reconnect with a good friend on mine this past weekend at a science conference. He's a big time leftist that holds a government job and a post-doctoral degree from Notre Dame. His primary focus is fresh water ecology. We started chatting about his new book (in process) on environmental conservation, and the subject of climate change. He's a believer in man made climate change and as the subject switched to climatologists he stated that he had met several at national "think tank" summits and that they were ALL fringe scientists at best. Per his views, they simply make up equations on CO2 emissions and temperature, extrapolate wild guesses about the rate of future CO2 emissions and then using a spreadsheet they get hockey puck shaped graphs. There's no science there. No theory or observation being tested, just bad mathematical equations published as scare tactics.

[pinstripers]

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2015/11/21/klimate-change-kooks-suffer-new-setback-ancient-tropical-forest-found-in-norway

[RoyalShock]

I was able to reconnect with a good friend on mine this past weekend at a science conference. He's a big time leftist that holds a government job and a post-doctoral degree from Notre Dame. His primary focus is fresh water ecology. We started chatting about his new book (in process) on environmental conservation, and the subject of climate change. He's a believer in man made climate change and as the subject switched to climatologists he stated that he had met several at national "think tank" summits and that they were ALL fringe scientists at best. Per his views, they simply make up equations on CO2 emissions and temperature, extrapolate wild guesses about the rate of future CO2 emissions and then using a spreadsheet they get hockey puck shaped graphs. There's no science there. No theory or observation being tested, just bad mathematical equations published as scare tactics.

So this guy, with his post-doctoral degree, believes in a science in which he himself also believes the scientists behind it are fringe scientists, at best?

Sounds like a logical dude.

[wufan]

So this guy, with his post-doctoral degree, believes in a science in which he himself also believes the scientists behind it are fringe scientists, at best?

Sounds like a logical dude.

Nope. He's an ecologist. He believes Climatologists are fringe scientists. Ecologists come to the defense of endangered species and talk about impact on native plants/animals based on urban sprawl, hydro-electric damns, etc. Climatologists speak on weather patterns related to the same thing. He actually has some good insight in his book about weighing positive and negative effects of humans on nearby ecosystems as a whole rather than the often trumpeted effects on singular species. He also goes on to hypothesize about ways that ecologically friendly practices can coexist along side economically pleasing encroachment based on the needs/wants of the local populous.

[pinstripers]

“The fact is that even if every American citizen biked to work, carpooled to school, used only solar panels to power their homes, if we each planted a dozen trees, if we somehow eliminated all of our domestic greenhouse gas emissions, guess what – that still wouldn’t be enough to offset the carbon pollution coming from the rest of the world."-----John Kerry

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“The fact is that even if every American citizen biked to work, carpooled to school, used only solar panels to power their homes, if we each planted a dozen trees, if we somehow eliminated all of our domestic greenhouse gas emissions, guess what – that still wouldn’t be enough to offset the carbon pollution coming from the rest of the world."-----John Kerry

Didn't just about the rest of the world just say they would take voluntary action. Voluntary because of the United States since otherwise it wouldn't get passed by Congress.

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Did the "pause" in global warming start around 90-91? If so I bet it started in Vegas and spread out from there.

[SB Shock]

For some reason Northern Hemisphere sea ice is growing and is the largest in largest in 10 years. Must be George Bush fault.

[wufan]

Does this mean the baby polar bears will survive?

[SB Shock]

Does this mean the baby polar bears will survive?

Sadly not, the heartless republicans refused to extend the "Obama ocean healthcare" initiative to include the uninsured animals like baby polar bears and baby seals. It would have been great for our state as silo-u would have received federal tax dollars to educate future vets who specialized in the polar regions.