Government VS Boeing

[SubGod22]

I thought we'd talked about this before but I couldn't find it. The gov't filed suit against Boeing this past spring because of the plant they opened in South Carolina. The Gov't claims that this is to punish Washington state workers for past strikes. South Carolina is a right-to-work state. Not sure why we should punish a business for going to a state they feel they can succeed in. It sure beats them sending the work outside of our borders. And personally, I think it's horrible that in some places, union membership is forced onto the worker. But that's for another time.

House To Vote On Bill To Block Government Case Against Boeing

House Republicans, angry over the government's labor dispute with Boeing Co., are taking up a bill that would prohibit the National Labor Relations Board from ordering any company to close plants or relocate workers, even if a company flouts labor laws.

The measure would undercut a high-profile lawsuit filed in April that accuses Boeing of violating labor laws by opening a new production line for its 787 airplane in right-to-work South Carolina.

The board says Boeing is punishing unionized Washington state workers for past strikes.

Boeing has vigorously denied the allegations, claiming the move was an economic decision.

Business groups claim the board has overstepped its bounds, and say no agency should have the right to dictate where a company can or cannot create jobs.

While the bill is likely to pass the GOP-controlled House when it comes up for a vote Thursday, it is not expected to gain traction in the Senate, where Democratic leaders strongly oppose it. The Obama administration and labor groups say the bill would cripple the government's ability to enforce labor laws.

The case has become a major issue in the Republican presidential campaign, in which South Carolina is an early primary state. Touring the new Boeing plant in South Carolina on Monday, GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney called the lawsuit "political payback" from the White House to unions.

"Businesses ought to be able to set up operations wherever they think it's best for their success," said Minnesota Rep. John Kline, chairman of the House Committee on Education and the Workforce. "They ought to be able to make those decisions without a body like the NLRB being able to come in and disrupt that."

AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka said Republicans are exaggerating what he called a routine step by the board to enforce a law that has been on the books for more than 70 years. The National Labor Relations Act prohibits companies from retaliating against workers who exercise union rights by moving their jobs away.

Maybe I don't fully grasp the Labor Laws, and if not, I'm open to be informed. However, I don't like the gov't telling a company where they can and can't open a plant. And what does this tell a state like South Carolina or others like it who have worked hard to get an industry like this within the state to create jobs? I know they were on Cessna's list as well. I'm not sure why the gov't in now trying to punish states for making a better environment for businesses to operate.

[RoyalShock]

It is exactly this type of thinking that will continue to keep the US from reversing the manufacturing trend.

Mr. President (an any other pro-union politicians), it's simple math.

[SubGod22]

Boeing, NLRB Battle Heading for a Vote in the House

"I'm mad as hell," South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham told reporters on Capitol Hill Wednesday.

A day ahead of a House vote on a bill stopping the National Labor Relations Board from blocking Boeing's plan to open a new production facility in South Carolina, a group of Republican senators blasted the NLRB for being a rogue agency.

"This is a frivolous complaint beyond imagination,” Graham said. “This is using the law for political purposes, and I really do resent that the idea that we are not going to fight back. Sen. Reid, help us out here."

That's not going to happen. Reid is one of those in Washington I'd love to kick in the head.

"Businesses are smarter than government,” said South Carolina Republican Sen. Jim DeMint. “The next time Boeing has a move, they won't move to South Carolina or a right-to-work state. They'll move to china or somewhere else… that's the signal this administration is sending."

Exactly. I believe I said it earlier.

Obama administration officials insist the NLRB is an independent agency, whose members are presidential appointees but not directed by the president, and say the White House does not get involved in these enforcement matters.

When asked about the Boeing issue at a June 29 White House news conference, President Obama chose his words carefully.

"Companies need to have the freedom to relocate. They have to follow the law, but that's part of our system,” Obama said. But with many companies choosing to relocate workers overseas, he added, “if they're choosing to relocate here in the United States, that's a good thing."

If the NLRB gets their way, they will be relocating overseas.

[Shocker85]

I generally stay out of the political discussions, but this one is closely related to a civil suit which an organization I belong to recently WON vs. the BATFE because they had overstepped their bounds. I also happen to work at Boeing, and simply can't believe the abundant stupidity the NLRB has displayed in attempting to block the S.C. plant (the tough economic environment notwithstanding).

One of the huge problems with "government" right now is the fact that many of the agencies who fall under thet purview of government entities have taken upon themselves to create policy. Their functions, in reality, it to enforce policy. There are numerous examples of agencies like the FAA, FCC, BATFE, NLRB, etc. who have over-zealous directorates and underlings who are convinced that it is within their power to make policy.

The Congress writes and enacts the Federal Code, these agencies are there to carry out the laws. When they start making their own rules (effectively putting them forth as the law) they are acting outside their legal jurisdiction.

This crap has to be stopped. Not only do they often cross the lines of guaranteed Constitutional civil liberties, their increasing scope of control forces them to hire more and more employees. Bigger government is not better government.

Just my observation.

--'85.

[Kung Wu]

I generally stay out of the political discussions, but this one is closely related to a civil suit which an organization I belong to recently WON vs. the BATFE because they had overstepped their bounds. I also happen to work at Boeing, and simply can't believe the abundant stupidity the NLRB has displayed in attempting to block the S.C. plant (the tough economic environment notwithstanding).

One of the huge problems with "government" right now is the fact that many of the agencies who fall under thet purview of government entities have taken upon themselves to create policy. Their functions, in reality, it to enforce policy. There are numerous examples of agencies like the FAA, FCC, BATFE, NLRB, etc. who have over-zealous directorates and underlings who are convinced that it is within their power to make policy.

The Congress writes and enacts the Federal Code, these agencies are there to carry out the laws. When they start making their own rules (effectively putting them forth as the law) they are acting outside their legal jurisdiction.

This crap has to be stopped. Not only do they often cross the lines of guaranteed Constitutional civil liberties, their increasing scope of control forces them to hire more and more employees. Bigger government is not better government.

Just my observation.

--'85.

Strong.

[Maggie]

I generally stay out of the political discussions, but this one is closely related to a civil suit which an organization I belong to recently WON vs. the BATFE because they had overstepped their bounds. I also happen to work at Boeing, and simply can't believe the abundant stupidity the NLRB has displayed in attempting to block the S.C. plant (the tough economic environment notwithstanding).

One of the huge problems with "government" right now is the fact that many of the agencies who fall under thet purview of government entities have taken upon themselves to create policy. Their functions, in reality, it to enforce policy. There are numerous examples of agencies like the FAA, FCC, BATFE, NLRB, etc. who have over-zealous directorates and underlings who are convinced that it is within their power to make policy.

The Congress writes and enacts the Federal Code, these agencies are there to carry out the laws. When they start making their own rules (effectively putting them forth as the law) they are acting outside their legal jurisdiction.

This crap has to be stopped. Not only do they often cross the lines of guaranteed Constitutional civil liberties, their increasing scope of control forces them to hire more and more employees. Bigger government is not better government.

Just my observation.

--'85.

Your observation......is spot on.

[SubGod22]

I just read that the NLRB says the Charleston plant would cost Washington jobs. However, Boeing has apparently created 5000 union jobs in Washington since the plant opened. Now the complaint is that without the Charleston plant, more jobs would have been created in Washington. That's wonderful logic...