54+ average MPG by 2025?

[RoyalShock]

http://news.yahoo.com/president-announces-deal-boost-fuel-economy-160848473.html

How much does that really decrease our overall dependence on foreign oil, independent of gasoline production?

What other energies are going to need to be consumed to reach that? Coal and natural gas will be needed to supply the extra electricity to charge up the batteries.

And how safe will cars made out of ultra-light materials be? Will be be driving canvas-covered aluminum frame cars?

I'm all for efficiency and savings, but this seems like pie-in-the-sky to me.

[WuDrWu]

Seems like pie in the sky?

The entire executive branch lives on pie in the sky, b-b-q'd and smothered in gravy.


So are they going to make me buy a smaller car? This is the kind of crap to expect when you bail someone out.

Didn't fix anything...won't fix anything....made up promises.....paying unskilled workers twice what the free market will before unfunded retirement obligations....higher taxes.

Good job.

[wu_shizzle]

My fellow comrades, embrace the Socialist's utopia.

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

Great, and what happens when the hay to feed those jackasses goes over $2000 a bale?

[pinstripers]

Natural gas is cheap, abundant and clean. America has the largest supply in the entire world. Instead of using that, we insist on beating the ethanol drum. Ethanol receives billions of dollars of federal subsidies, costs more energy to produce than the energy it eventually produces. Ethanol production is depleting our water supply at a rate which will force daily water rationing on our children (not our grandchildren).

[WstateU]

Natural gas is cheap, abundant and clean. America has the largest supply in the entire world. Instead of using that, we insist on beating the ethanol drum. Ethanol receives billions of dollars of federal subsidies, costs more energy to produce than the energy it eventually produces. Ethanol production is depleting our water supply at a rate which will force daily water rationing on our children (not our grandchildren).

Preach on brother... I couldn't have said it better. :good:
I've been anti-ethanol for many moons.

[Kung Wu]

I can't focus on a word you said WstateU. But keep posting!

[kcshocker11]

I was hoping to be off gas powered engines by then

[pinstripers]

......and something may be out there, but it ain't ethanol.

[BOBB]

The 54.5 mpg standard is a mathematical formula used throughout the government that will translate into about 42 mpg on the window sticker, said an administration official who asked not to be identified

http://www.tirebusiness.com/subscriber/headlines2.phtml?cat=1204552929&headline=Detroit+gains+pickup+exemption+in+new+CAFE+deal&id=1312210688

This is a fleet number and includes numerous exemptions for full sized trucks and a phased in number for light trucks. I think it's much ado about nothing. Only VW is complaining (no full size vehicles).

[BOBB]

......and something may be out there, but it ain't ethanol.

Agreed. I don't think lithium, et al is the answer. Would we rather take our chances at the mercy of commie dictators in Latin America or fascist dictators in the Middle East?

Mr. Fusion anyone?