World Series

[BenWSU]

would it really matter if they are giving most of it to guys like Jose guillen?

I was thinking of Dye and Damon as examples.

[RoyalShock]

The team with 90 million won which is sad. Just think if Royals had that much to play with.

I think the Royals' payroll this season was around $75 million. So they weren't far off. And please, the Damon and Dye ship set sail a long time ago. Stop pining for it to return. That was under completely different management during a time when KC didn't have the money to spend on them anyway.

Now, while ASM is correct in his Jose Guillen remark, Moore had a choice to make. He knew it would take 5-7 years to build the farm system through the draft. The question is, do you just accept total suckage over that time frame, play mostly AAAA players and risk losing a good chunk of the fan base as well as the little bit of homegrown talent you do have (Greinke, Butler, Soria, DeJesus), or do you at least try to make the roster mildly competitive to maintain fan interest in the franchise until the farm system begins producing fruit?

As for the amount he paid Guillen, Farnsworth, Ankiel, et. al., well, you have to overpay to get any free agent to come to KC.

Bottom line is that I don't think there is any clear answer and considering the current farm system, who cares?

[wsushox1]

Yea, no one cared about this years WS.

yankees fan?

Correct, my dad lived in New York in his Mid 20's so I grew up watching the Yankees. He then moved to Los Angeles as a Rocket Engineer working on Titan II Ballistic Missiles during the Kareem days and the early days of Magic back when they played at the Forum. So I am a Lakers/Kobe fan as well.

How convenient that you picked the two best teams from those cities. ;-)

Yea, no way am I a clippers fan :lol: . Plus Kobe is what every basketball player should strive to be like IMO.

[SubGod22]

The team with 90 million won which is sad. Just think if Royals had that much to play with.

I think the Royals' payroll this season was around $75 million. So they weren't far off. And please, the Damon and Dye ship set sail a long time ago. Stop pining for it to return. That was under completely different management during a time when KC didn't have the money to spend on them anyway.

Now, while ASM is correct in his Jose Guillen remark, Moore had a choice to make. He knew it would take 5-7 years to build the farm system through the draft. The question is, do you just accept total suckage over that time frame, play mostly AAAA players and risk losing a good chunk of the fan base as well as the little bit of homegrown talent you do have (Greinke, Butler, Soria, DeJesus), or do you at least try to make the roster mildly competitive to maintain fan interest in the franchise until the farm system begins producing fruit?

As for the amount he paid Guillen, Farnsworth, Ankiel, et. al., well, you have to overpay to get any free agent to come to KC.

Bottom line is that I don't think there is any clear answer and considering the current farm system, who cares?

:good:

[SubGod22]

Yea, no one cared about this years WS.

yankees fan?

Correct, my dad lived in New York in his Mid 20's so I grew up watching the Yankees. He then moved to Los Angeles as a Rocket Engineer working on Titan II Ballistic Missiles during the Kareem days and the early days of Magic back when they played at the Forum. So I am a Lakers/Kobe fan as well.

How convenient that you picked the two best teams from those cities. ;-)

Yea, no way am I a clippers fan :lol: . Plus Kobe is what every basketball player should strive to be like IMO.

A douche?

[BenWSU]

If you're going to spend time and money developing talent then turn around and lose them to other teams with more money, why even have a baseball team ???

[RoyalShock]

If you're going to spend time and money developing talent then turn around and lose them to other teams with more money, why even have a baseball team ???

I'm getting so tired of this non-argument. If that is how you feel, you should abandon all fanhood for the Royals and about half of MLB.

MLB is what it is and KC is now doing what a team in that market must do to compete. You can't keep comparing the current Moore regime with the Robinson/Baird regimes.

The morons on the Topeka paper's prep message board keep ringing that bell and and it's getting monotonous. Either prove that what happened under Herk/Allard (try to acquire all your talent through trades instead of the draft) is happening under Moore, or get off the pot.

I'll even offer the first evidence to the contrary:

Greinke, DeJesus, Soria. All bought out of arbitration years and put off free agency, but not so long they are stuck with what a bad contract for a long time should the player suffer injury or a drop in production.

What was Baird's attempt at this strategy besides Mike Sweeney? Angel Berroa, after barely a season in the majors.

[SubGod22]

If you're going to spend time and money developing talent then turn around and lose them to other teams with more money, why even have a baseball team ???

I'm getting so tired of this non-argument. If that is how you feel, you should abandon all fanhood for the Royals and about half of MLB.

MLB is what it is and KC is now doing what a team in that market must do to compete. You can't keep comparing the current Moore regime with the Robinson/Baird regimes.

The morons on the Topeka paper's prep message board keep ringing that bell and and it's getting monotonous. Either prove that what happened under Herk/Allard (try to acquire all your talent through trades instead of the draft) is happening under Moore, or get off the pot.

I'll even offer the first evidence to the contrary:

Greinke, DeJesus, Soria. All bought out of arbitration years and put off free agency, but not so long they are stuck with what a bad contract for a long time should the player suffer injury or a drop in production.

What was Baird's attempt at this strategy besides Mike Sweeney? Angel Berroa, after barely a season in the majors.

:clap:

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

The team with 90 million won which is sad. Just think if Royals had that much to play with.

I think the Royals' payroll this season was around $75 million. So they weren't far off. And please, the Damon and Dye ship set sail a long time ago. Stop pining for it to return. That was under completely different management during a time when KC didn't have the money to spend on them anyway.

Now, while ASM is correct in his Jose Guillen remark, Moore had a choice to make. He knew it would take 5-7 years to build the farm system through the draft. The question is, do you just accept total suckage over that time frame, play mostly AAAA players and risk losing a good chunk of the fan base as well as the little bit of homegrown talent you do have (Greinke, Butler, Soria, DeJesus), or do you at least try to make the roster mildly competitive to maintain fan interest in the franchise until the farm system begins producing fruit?

As for the amount he paid Guillen, Farnsworth, Ankiel, et. al., well, you have to overpay to get any free agent to come to KC.

Bottom line is that I don't think there is any clear answer and considering the current farm system, who cares?

:good:

you're right in the fact that the Royals will have to overpay to get FA here until we start winning again.

BUT

Its one thing to spend money its another to spend money wisely.

Jose Guillen was a horrible signing from the get go. Gil Meche was a head scratcher but overall I would do it again. He was solid (by royal standards) until he ran into the second coming of Dusty Baker.

Im all for stop gaps until the talent can get there. But why pay a guy 5 million when you are going to get the exact same production from a guy making league minimum.

[RoyalShock]

ASM, I agree with you on principle, but there is still yet a couple of other angles to consider when it comes to payroll.

KC receives a large amount of revenue sharing funds. At the time of the Meche and later Guillen signings, KC was being criticized for "pocketing" those funds. Moore tried to get Torii Hunter here, but even with a larger offer than Anaheim's (IIRC), KC was turned down.

The other angle is that players needed to see that KC would and could be aggressive in the free-agent market. Again, at that time just about everyone was critical of KC for not even trying to go after free-agents that weren't on the decline or looking to play one more year.

Even if it was only for appearances, the reality was they had to do something. Going the economy route, though fiscally prudent, would continue the low-rent perception and impede KC's future ability to sign free-agents to complement their homegrown talent.

[SubGod22]

Moore has been doing things the right way. Is every move going to be great and pay dividends? No. Show me a GM that gets every move right. But he's given KC fans a reason to be excited about the future. We'll start seeing a couple of the young guys next year. More the year after. I expect them to continue to draft/develop well and if/when the time comes where they can't afford players they'll have more young talent ready to take over. It's how small market clubs have had success in the past and all the experts see it developing in KC that way.

[ShockerFever]

Having a discussion about the Royals in a World Series thread is just plain wrong.

[ShockTalk]

Having a discussion about the Royals in a World Series thread is just plain wrong.

I hope the Royals get it turned around, but that's funny SF.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

ASM, I agree with you on principle, but there is still yet a couple of other angles to consider when it comes to payroll.

KC receives a large amount of revenue sharing funds. At the time of the Meche and later Guillen signings, KC was being criticized for "pocketing" those funds. Moore tried to get Torii Hunter here, but even with a larger offer than Anaheim's (IIRC), KC was turned down.

The other angle is that players needed to see that KC would and could be aggressive in the free-agent market. Again, at that time just about everyone was critical of KC for not even trying to go after free-agents that weren't on the decline or looking to play one more year.

Even if it was only for appearances, the reality was they had to do something. Going the economy route, though fiscally prudent, would continue the low-rent perception and impede KC's future ability to sign free-agents to complement their homegrown talent.

we definitely are on the same boat/page. Royals fans were/are probably the worst when it came to the free agent argument. I think many (although still small) see the difference in a Kila and Jose Guillen. Same production (offensively) for less money. But it took over paying for an over-rated free agent.

I guess my biggest problem is lessons were'nt learned. Why bring in a guy like Kendall? Truth be told I would have rather gone with Olivo/Pena than what we had to go through. To top it off Kendall isnt signed to a one year deal. he will still be with the team next year. Really?

But all in all I hear the "well if the Royals would spend money" line all the time when the reality is they do. Spent very wisely in the draft but poorly on the MLB level. In the end its going to payoff but why offer false hope?

[BenWSU]

Yes they spend money but they dont spend money retaining talent that they invested time and money on in the farm system.