Something I agree with Obama about...

[wu_shizzle]

Since some of you are tired of the "whining" I thought I'd post this:

At another point of today’s town hall meeting, Obama was pushing back against the idea that the creation of a new government-run plan would drive private insurers out of business, and he said that UPS and FedEx were doing fine, but “it’s the post office that’s always having problems.” Oops!

The gaffe arose from the inherent contradiction of those arguing for the introduction of a government government-run plan. On the one hand, Obama and other supporters of the idea argue that we need to have a strong government plan to create more efficiency, drive down prices, and “keep private insurers honest.” Yet at the same time, they have to make it appear weaker to push back against those of us who argue that it will threaten private insurance and move us toward a single-payer system. So then you get statements in which Obama, in the course of arguing for a government-run system, takes a shot at the government-run post office.

Being fair and balanced I should post Obama quotes I agree with too...

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[shoxlax]

I also agree with him that we shouldn't call our current conflict a war on terror, since terror is a tactic. It is simply a war on radical Islam, just like we had a war on fascism and communisim. Oh wait he left out the last sentence, didn't he?

[ABC]

of course PBO's point was that the govt wouldn't be too much of a competitor

If that is the case, then don't get into the marketplace.

But the real goal is not marketplace competition, it is social policy

The same analogy would be if if the USPS offered overnight service for 50% of what Fed Ex or UPS charged?

How long are Fed Ex and UPS staying in business?

[ShockCity]

Sounds like more whining to me.

[BostonWu]

I'm with him on a college football playoff system.

[ISASO]

Sounds like more whining to me.

Typical - no comment on the issue, just deflection into personal attacks. You obviously got Nancy Pelosi's memo to the brownshirts about "controlling the message" this month.

[ShockCity]

Sounds like more whining to me.

Typical - no comment on the issue, just deflection into personal attacks. You obviously got Nancy Pelosi's memo to the brownshirts about "controlling the message" this month.

:cry:

[shocklight]

Re: Something I agree with Obama about...

Since some of you are tired of the "whining" I thought I'd post this:

At another point of today’s town hall meeting, Obama was pushing back against the idea that the creation of a new government-run plan would drive private insurers out of business, and he said that UPS and FedEx were doing fine, but “it’s the post office that’s always having problems.” Oops!

The gaffe arose from the inherent contradiction of those arguing for the introduction of a government government-run plan. On the one hand, Obama and other supporters of the idea argue that we need to have a strong government plan to create more efficiency, drive down prices, and “keep private insurers honest.” Yet at the same time, they have to make it appear weaker to push back against those of us who argue that it will threaten private insurance and move us toward a single-payer system. So then you get statements in which Obama, in the course of arguing for a government-run system, takes a shot at the government-run post office.

Being fair and balanced I should post Obama quotes I agree with too...

Link

Some may say that PBO made a mistake and shouldn't have used the post office as a comparison to FedEX or UPS. However, it is just one more reason to show that national health care is a bad idea, and the sooner people admit it, the sooner a real solution can start to be worked on. No matter what solution is decided on, it will be painfull, but this national health care is the worst idea possible.

Let me throw out one idea, we already have unemployment contributions by employers. This is a forced contribution, employers have to pay it, they have no choice. A similar program could be set up for health care. One could argue that it puts the costs on the back of small business, and it would. But it would also put it on the back of big business too. No matter how this is done, it is not going to make some (most) happy at all.

The bottom line is businesses will have to charge more for their products and ultimately the consumer pays for it in the end.

Personally I don't like any of this, but the extremely smart men (tongue in cheek) we have sent to Washington are going to force something down our throats. It more than likely will be government controlled. I just hope it will be something that will keep government honest (I have strong doubts that will happen).

[t7017s]

Re: Something I agree with Obama about...

Since some of you are tired of the "whining" I thought I'd post this:

At another point of today’s town hall meeting, Obama was pushing back against the idea that the creation of a new government-run plan would drive private insurers out of business, and he said that UPS and FedEx were doing fine, but “it’s the post office that’s always having problems.” Oops!

The gaffe arose from the inherent contradiction of those arguing for the introduction of a government government-run plan. On the one hand, Obama and other supporters of the idea argue that we need to have a strong government plan to create more efficiency, drive down prices, and “keep private insurers honest.” Yet at the same time, they have to make it appear weaker to push back against those of us who argue that it will threaten private insurance and move us toward a single-payer system. So then you get statements in which Obama, in the course of arguing for a government-run system, takes a shot at the government-run post office.

Being fair and balanced I should post Obama quotes I agree with too...

Link

Some may say that PBO made a mistake and shouldn't have used the post office as a comparison to FedEX or UPS. However, it is just one more reason to show that national health care is a bad idea, and the sooner people admit it, the sooner a real solution can start to be worked on. No matter what solution is decided on, it will be painfull, but this national health care is the worst idea possible.

Let me throw out one idea, we already have unemployment contributions by employers. This is a forced contribution, employers have to pay it, they have no choice. A similar program could be set up for health care. One could argue that it puts the costs on the back of small business, and it would. But it would also put it on the back of big business too. No matter how this is done, it is not going to make some (most) happy at all.

The bottom line is businesses will have to charge more for their products and ultimately the consumer pays for it in the end.

Personally I don't like any of this, but the extremely smart men (tongue in cheek) we have sent to Washington are going to force something down our throats. It more than likely will be government controlled. I just hope it will be something that will keep government honest (I have strong doubts that will happen).

I am against any health care changes that put additional burden on small business. hell small business is collapsing left and right, right now as it is, because to much of a load has been placed on their shoulders to fix the economic woes. Whoever came up with the idea of putting so much burden on small business to revive our economy while making them take it up the ass is brilliant. Its all a sham. Now we have the health care mess and the administration is saying well we are going to spend less and give you more and its really just that simple... Oh yeah... Really... Uh huh... Sure it is... **** lets do this to everything and all our problems are fixed because its just that simple. Talk about answers and solutions to "real problems". WTF!!!

[BostonWu]

Re: Something I agree with Obama about...

Since some of you are tired of the "whining" I thought I'd post this:

At another point of today’s town hall meeting, Obama was pushing back against the idea that the creation of a new government-run plan would drive private insurers out of business, and he said that UPS and FedEx were doing fine, but “it’s the post office that’s always having problems.” Oops!

The gaffe arose from the inherent contradiction of those arguing for the introduction of a government government-run plan. On the one hand, Obama and other supporters of the idea argue that we need to have a strong government plan to create more efficiency, drive down prices, and “keep private insurers honest.” Yet at the same time, they have to make it appear weaker to push back against those of us who argue that it will threaten private insurance and move us toward a single-payer system. So then you get statements in which Obama, in the course of arguing for a government-run system, takes a shot at the government-run post office.

Being fair and balanced I should post Obama quotes I agree with too...

Link

Some may say that PBO made a mistake and shouldn't have used the post office as a comparison to FedEX or UPS. However, it is just one more reason to show that national health care is a bad idea, and the sooner people admit it, the sooner a real solution can start to be worked on. No matter what solution is decided on, it will be painfull, but this national health care is the worst idea possible.

Let me throw out one idea, we already have unemployment contributions by employers. This is a forced contribution, employers have to pay it, they have no choice. A similar program could be set up for health care. One could argue that it puts the costs on the back of small business, and it would. But it would also put it on the back of big business too. No matter how this is done, it is not going to make some (most) happy at all.

The bottom line is businesses will have to charge more for their products and ultimately the consumer pays for it in the end.

Personally I don't like any of this, but the extremely smart men (tongue in cheek) we have sent to Washington are going to force something down our throats. It more than likely will be government controlled. I just hope it will be something that will keep government honest (I have strong doubts that will happen).

I am against any health care changes that put additional burden on small business. hell small business is collapsing left and right, right now as it is, because to much of a load has been placed on their shoulders to fix the economic woes. Whoever came up with the idea of putting so much burden on small business to revive our economy while making them take it up the ass is brilliant. Its all a sham. Now we have the health care mess and the administration is saying well we are going to spend less and give you more and its really just that simple... Oh yeah... Really... Uh huh... Sure it is... #### lets do this to everything and all our problems are fixed because its just that simple. Talk about answers and solutions to "real problems". ####!!!

Sounds like you’re a small business owner which probably means you’re rich…so quit your bellyaching and help those with no money or health insurance. :sarcasm:

[DoubleJayAlum]

Re: Something I agree with Obama about...

Let me throw out one idea, we already have unemployment contributions by employers. This is a forced contribution, employers have to pay it, they have no choice. A similar program could be set up for health care. One could argue that it puts the costs on the back of small business, and it would. But it would also put it on the back of big business too. No matter how this is done, it is not going to make some (most) happy at all.

The bottom line is businesses will have to charge more for their products and ultimately the consumer pays for it in the end.

That is an excellent plan if you want to increase the number of unemployed.

[ISASO]

But if the King Obama's New World Order will provide everything a person might need, who cares if there are 295 million unemployed persons? Employment will be for evil, greedy, right-wing radicals.

Real Americans will live in the Obama Commune, whose 30 trillion dollar budget will be covered by the 5 million people who actually have real jobs.

Really, the math works, doesn't it?

[t7017s]

But if the King Obama's New World Order will provide everything a person might need, who cares if there are 295 million unemployed persons? Employment will be for evil, greedy, right-wing radicals.

Real Americans will live in the Obama Commune, whose 30 trillion dollar budget will be covered by the 5 million people who actually have real jobs.

Really, the math works, doesn't it?

:lol:

[t7017s]

Re: Something I agree with Obama about...

Since some of you are tired of the "whining" I thought I'd post this:

At another point of today’s town hall meeting, Obama was pushing back against the idea that the creation of a new government-run plan would drive private insurers out of business, and he said that UPS and FedEx were doing fine, but “it’s the post office that’s always having problems.” Oops!

The gaffe arose from the inherent contradiction of those arguing for the introduction of a government government-run plan. On the one hand, Obama and other supporters of the idea argue that we need to have a strong government plan to create more efficiency, drive down prices, and “keep private insurers honest.” Yet at the same time, they have to make it appear weaker to push back against those of us who argue that it will threaten private insurance and move us toward a single-payer system. So then you get statements in which Obama, in the course of arguing for a government-run system, takes a shot at the government-run post office.

Being fair and balanced I should post Obama quotes I agree with too...

Link

Some may say that PBO made a mistake and shouldn't have used the post office as a comparison to FedEX or UPS. However, it is just one more reason to show that national health care is a bad idea, and the sooner people admit it, the sooner a real solution can start to be worked on. No matter what solution is decided on, it will be painfull, but this national health care is the worst idea possible.

Let me throw out one idea, we already have unemployment contributions by employers. This is a forced contribution, employers have to pay it, they have no choice. A similar program could be set up for health care. One could argue that it puts the costs on the back of small business, and it would. But it would also put it on the back of big business too. No matter how this is done, it is not going to make some (most) happy at all.

The bottom line is businesses will have to charge more for their products and ultimately the consumer pays for it in the end.

Personally I don't like any of this, but the extremely smart men (tongue in cheek) we have sent to Washington are going to force something down our throats. It more than likely will be government controlled. I just hope it will be something that will keep government honest (I have strong doubts that will happen).

I am against any health care changes that put additional burden on small business. hell small business is collapsing left and right, right now as it is, because to much of a load has been placed on their shoulders to fix the economic woes. Whoever came up with the idea of putting so much burden on small business to revive our economy while making them take it up the ass is brilliant. Its all a sham. Now we have the health care mess and the administration is saying well we are going to spend less and give you more and its really just that simple... Oh yeah... Really... Uh huh... Sure it is... #### lets do this to everything and all our problems are fixed because its just that simple. Talk about answers and solutions to "real problems". ####!!!

Sounds like you’re a small business owner which probably means you’re rich…so quit your bellyaching and help those with no money or health insurance. :sarcasm:

Actually not a small business owner. I just have enough of a brain to realize that you cant tax and burden the sole entity that you are delagating to be responsible for job creation and "recovery". Small business is what only 90% of the jobs in the US. I mean it makes perfect sense to tax and penalize them beyond their thresh hold and still expect them to create additional jobs and pull the country out of its woes. :roll:

[shocklight]

Re: Something I agree with Obama about...

Let me throw out one idea, we already have unemployment contributions by employers. This is a forced contribution, employers have to pay it, they have no choice. A similar program could be set up for health care. One could argue that it puts the costs on the back of small business, and it would. But it would also put it on the back of big business too. No matter how this is done, it is not going to make some (most) happy at all.

The bottom line is businesses will have to charge more for their products and ultimately the consumer pays for it in the end.

That is an excellent plan if you want to increase the number of unemployed.

I'm not trying to be rude, but my point is....pick your poison! I don't see any good options. I just don't see that PBO and company will be able to force national health care on the individual tax payer (given todays climate), so what other option do they have? Answer: all business. The dem's have done a great job of demonizing business for a long time. They will be able to do it one more time. I hope I'm wrong, but they know they have to get it from the millions of tax payers. It is just not looking possible, so how do you get it from them anyway? Tax their employers, who pass that along to the consumer (tax payer).

I don't like this plan, I'm just being a realist.

What idea do you have for an option?