Frarrakhan Announces Obama as the Messiah

[SB Shock]

"You are the instruments that God is gonna use to bring about universal change. And that is why Barack has jacked it [?] with youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn't care anything about about. That's a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth believe. And the Messiah is absolutely speaking."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

[ShockRef]

Now there's an endorsement we can all get behind. 8)
Let's see, first Rev Wright, then big Al, now Louie. Nice lineup of racists Obama has put together. I can certainly identify with Barack Hussein Obama's proclamation of uniting all Americans. 8)
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if he gets in, we are brewed, screwed, barbequed and tattooed. :(

[shocrates]

And to think, we were recruiting this loon's relative for awhile.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

ok the whole messiah thing is cuckoo. ITs as crazy as palin being on a mission from god. Or her kids for that matter

but hes right about getting the youth involved in politics. Most young adults dont give a damn about them. But alot of paid attention over the last few years.

[t7017s]

ok the whole messiah thing is cuckoo. ITs as crazy as palin being on a mission from god. Or her kids for that matter

but hes right about getting the youth involved in politics. Most young adults dont give a damn about them. But alot of paid attention over the last few years.

But just because someone listens to what someone says doesn't mean they hear what they are saying. I'm not saying that in regards to Obama but about politics and politicians in general. I tend to think about 80%+ are to stupid to vote or really know or understand what these guys are saying. Sad thing is no matter if your a conservative or a liberal both sides spin and spin and word things intentionally so they cant possibly make sense unless your an idiot.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

ok the whole messiah thing is cuckoo. ITs as crazy as palin being on a mission from god. Or her kids for that matter

but hes right about getting the youth involved in politics. Most young adults dont give a damn about them. But alot of paid attention over the last few years.

But just because someone listens to what someone says doesn't mean they hear what they are saying. I'm not saying that in regards to Obama but about politics and politicians in general. I tend to think about 80%+ are to stupid to vote or really know or understand what these guys are saying. Sad thing is no matter if your a conservative or a liberal both sides spin and spin and word things intentionally so they cant possibly make sense unless your an idiot.

I agree. Im just mainly speaking on the fact that people my age and younger are paying attention and having something to do with the process. But its a start.

Like Chris Rock said about Cornbread "they aint nothin wrong with that!"

[ShockRef]

ok the whole messiah thing is cuckoo. ITs as crazy as palin being on a mission from god. Or her kids for that matter

but hes right about getting the youth involved in politics. Most young adults dont give a damn about them. But alot of paid attention over the last few years.

But just because someone listens to what someone says doesn't mean they hear what they are saying. I'm not saying that in regards to Obama but about politics and politicians in general. I tend to think about 80%+ are to stupid to vote or really know or understand what these guys are saying. Sad thing is no matter if your a conservative or a liberal both sides spin and spin and word things intentionally so they cant possibly make sense unless your an idiot.

Actually, for the most part I agree with you.
Both parties want your vote for power, which ultimately equates to controlling the money flow into their coffers.
My vote this year is not going to a candidate I think that will make a difference. It's basically a case of trying to limit the damage. In fact, I'll probably hold my nose while punching the card.
But the alternative choice is a sure fire recipe for economic disaster and all the political mumbo jumbo can not obscure the blatantly obvious. 8)

[Wuzee]

ok the whole messiah thing is cuckoo. ITs as crazy as palin being on a mission from god. Or her kids for that matter

but hes right about getting the youth involved in politics. Most young adults dont give a damn about them. But alot of paid attention over the last few years.

But just because someone listens to what someone says doesn't mean they hear what they are saying. I'm not saying that in regards to Obama but about politics and politicians in general. I tend to think about 80%+ are to stupid to vote or really know or understand what these guys are saying. Sad thing is no matter if your a conservative or a liberal both sides spin and spin and word things intentionally so they cant possibly make sense unless your an idiot.

Actually, for the most part I agree with you.
Both parties want your vote for power, which ultimately equates to controlling the money flow into their coffers.
My vote this year is not going to a candidate I think that will make a difference. It's basically a case of trying to limit the damage. In fact, I'll probably hold my nose while punching the card.
But the alternative choice is a sure fire recipe for economic disaster and all the political mumbo jumbo can not obscure the blatantly obvious. 8)

You know what state you're in, right? You know how the electoral college works, don't you? McCain is a dead solid lock in Kansas. Vote for a third party candidate if you find one that deserves it or don't vote at all. Assuming that you're a Republican-leaning American, you're not going to hurt Obama by voting for McCain in Kansas any more than I'm going to help Obama by voting for him.

Kansas will give it's 6 electoral college votes to McCain regardless of what you do.

In fact, you might be sending the wrong signal to the GOP, since, to borrow a baseball expression, every vote looks like a line drive in the scorebook.

It used to be that the margin of victory in an election had some influence on how the President acted. We used to talk about mandates quite a bit in relation to how close the election was. I think future presidents will assume a mandate, just as Bush has done.

In my opinion, not voting can be just as patriotic as casting a vote. It depends on the motivation behind the inaction.

[ShockRef]

ok the whole messiah thing is cuckoo. ITs as crazy as palin being on a mission from god. Or her kids for that matter

but hes right about getting the youth involved in politics. Most young adults dont give a damn about them. But alot of paid attention over the last few years.

But just because someone listens to what someone says doesn't mean they hear what they are saying. I'm not saying that in regards to Obama but about politics and politicians in general. I tend to think about 80%+ are to stupid to vote or really know or understand what these guys are saying. Sad thing is no matter if your a conservative or a liberal both sides spin and spin and word things intentionally so they cant possibly make sense unless your an idiot.

Actually, for the most part I agree with you.
Both parties want your vote for power, which ultimately equates to controlling the money flow into their coffers.
My vote this year is not going to a candidate I think that will make a difference. It's basically a case of trying to limit the damage. In fact, I'll probably hold my nose while punching the card.
But the alternative choice is a sure fire recipe for economic disaster and all the political mumbo jumbo can not obscure the blatantly obvious. 8)

You know what state you're in, right? You know how the electoral college works, don't you? McCain is a dead solid lock in Kansas. Vote for a third party candidate if you find one that deserves it or don't vote at all. Assuming that you're a Republican-leaning American, you're not going to hurt Obama by voting for McCain in Kansas any more than I'm going to help Obama by voting for him.

Kansas will give it's 6 electoral college votes to McCain regardless of what you do.

In fact, you might be sending the wrong signal to the GOP, since, to borrow a baseball expression, every vote looks like a line drive in the scorebook.

It used to be that the margin of victory in an election had some influence on how the President acted. We used to talk about mandates quite a bit in relation to how close the election was. I think future presidents will assume a mandate, just as Bush has done.

In my opinion, not voting can be just as patriotic as casting a vote. It depends on the motivation behind the inaction.

Uh, I do know what state I'm in and, drum roll please, it's not Kansas.
Besides, your notion of not voting is totally unacceptable. First of all, if you don't vote, then don't ***** later on. Secondly, (and far more important) a lot and I mean a lot of people have died in defense of this country and your right to trudge to the polling place November 4th and punch your card. I will not diminish their sacrifices in any way, shape or form by sitting home and not voting.
That is all. 8)

[Wuzee]

ok the whole messiah thing is cuckoo. ITs as crazy as palin being on a mission from god. Or her kids for that matter

but hes right about getting the youth involved in politics. Most young adults dont give a damn about them. But alot of paid attention over the last few years.

But just because someone listens to what someone says doesn't mean they hear what they are saying. I'm not saying that in regards to Obama but about politics and politicians in general. I tend to think about 80%+ are to stupid to vote or really know or understand what these guys are saying. Sad thing is no matter if your a conservative or a liberal both sides spin and spin and word things intentionally so they cant possibly make sense unless your an idiot.

Actually, for the most part I agree with you.
Both parties want your vote for power, which ultimately equates to controlling the money flow into their coffers.
My vote this year is not going to a candidate I think that will make a difference. It's basically a case of trying to limit the damage. In fact, I'll probably hold my nose while punching the card.
But the alternative choice is a sure fire recipe for economic disaster and all the political mumbo jumbo can not obscure the blatantly obvious. 8)

You know what state you're in, right? You know how the electoral college works, don't you? McCain is a dead solid lock in Kansas. Vote for a third party candidate if you find one that deserves it or don't vote at all. Assuming that you're a Republican-leaning American, you're not going to hurt Obama by voting for McCain in Kansas any more than I'm going to help Obama by voting for him.

Kansas will give it's 6 electoral college votes to McCain regardless of what you do.

In fact, you might be sending the wrong signal to the GOP, since, to borrow a baseball expression, every vote looks like a line drive in the scorebook.

It used to be that the margin of victory in an election had some influence on how the President acted. We used to talk about mandates quite a bit in relation to how close the election was. I think future presidents will assume a mandate, just as Bush has done.

In my opinion, not voting can be just as patriotic as casting a vote. It depends on the motivation behind the inaction.

Uh, I do know what state I'm in and, drum roll please, it's not Kansas.
Besides, your notion of not voting is totally unacceptable. First of all, if you don't vote, then don't ***** later on. Secondly, (and far more important) a lot and I mean a lot of people have died in defense of this country and your right to trudge to the polling place November 4th and punch your card. I will not diminish their sacrifices in any way, shape or form by sitting home and not voting.
That is all. 8)

Well ... certainly ... a close race in a state changes the game.

But a lot of people have died in defense of a country and constitution that allows you to participate and express an opinion regardless of whether you vote or not. Voting is just one possible expression of that freedom. Protest is another. And God Bless America for all those rights.

Twenty-two skidoo and over and out.

[RoyalShock]

Vote for a third party candidate if you find one that deserves it or don't vote at all.

I'm all for voting 3rd-party, but if I understood you right, not for the reason you suggest. And that was, only if it doesn't really matter. If I'm misinterpreting, I apologize and ask to be set straight.

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." - John Quincy Adams

[Wuzee]

To clarify: I think, in a perfect world, we would vote for the party or candidate, or some mixture of the two, that best represents our world view and supports the issues we care about.

I was speaking above specifically to the case of a conservative Republican, Kansas voter who thinks they need to hold their nose and pull the lever for McCain in order to "stop Obama."

In my mind that person would not be a very wise consumer, because their vote won't have any effect on the outcome and will be read by the GOP as unqualified support for the candidate emitting, so to speak, the odor.

In this case, it seems to me, a third-party candidate protest vote might be a better choice, provided that significant planks (for instance certain free-market views) of that candidate's platform were compatible.

I also think, provided that a compatible third-party candidate isn't in the race, that not voting for a presidential candidate out of protest is a legitimate approach. That's just not the same thing as staying home because a very special 2-hour episode of "Two and Half Men" is showing.

That said, I think you can legally skip the presidential slate and still vote on the local and state issues and thus remain eligible to have your opinions considered by ShockRef. :)

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Addendum: One of the problems with message boards, as with email, is that it does a poor job of conveying the tone with which the words are delivered. That's almost certainly a major reason that arguments tend to elevate and spin out of control.

For that reason, I thank ShockRef for the inclusion of the smiley, and hope my remarks (in this thread, at least) are considered as good-natured and without malice, as well.

[rayc]

ASM:
Im just mainly speaking on the fact that people my age and younger are paying attention and having something to do with the process.

I love the fact that in every election in my memory (since Kennedy) the current group of "young people" are the first generation of "young people" to pay attention to politics and get involved.

Some things seem to never change. :D

[RoyalShock]

Every four years we hear about how the young-uns are registering in droves and showing so much interest.

Problem is, when it comes time to vote, they don't show up.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

ASM:
Im just mainly speaking on the fact that people my age and younger are paying attention and having something to do with the process.

I love the fact that in every election in my memory (since Kennedy) the current group of "young people" are the first generation of "young people" to pay attention to politics and get involved.

Some things seem to never change. :D

I speak as in the fact that Im fairly young and people in my circle are actually talkling about politics as compared to years past.
I never said anything about being the first generation of anything.
And Royal im not saying anything about droves of people registering.