Debate #2: Palin vs Biden

[SB Shock]

hey Joe, 35 years experience is worthless if you have been wrong for 35 years.
Income re-distribution is not "fairness"
Taking money from someone who has earned it and giving it to someone who has not earned it through govt programs is not "fairness"
Stop taking your economic talking points out of the Communist Manifesto.

This is so silly its not even worth addressing!

You would think somebody who believe in fairness would give more than $900 to charity.

[SB Shock]

[I realize she has no experience and for having none, she did quite well.

You do realize the country is about to elect a community organizer who has no experience except for running for president right?

But by having no experience, it is what it is and that's why I think this job would be a bit over her head.

She has more experience running something than Obama. I think what your really saying is she has no exposure. This was kind of like being called up to the MLB in September to get a look a young talent. She got some exposure and they got to look at her. Now somebody will have to make a decision of whether she fits in to their long term plans.

I know since you're probably a Righty all the way kind of a guy, you were blinded by some of the obvious miscues Palin made last night.

Actually I think I am quite objective. I already said Biden won the debate. I think Palin was handicapped by the McCain campaign. They don't understand that just constantly spouting talking points might win you a battle here and there, but in the end you'll lose the war.

I, on the other hand, am a pure independent, with no affiliation whatsoever. And in being neutral, that's how I honestly felt.

I am unrepresented conservative.

Again, I just don't think I can vote in this election.

Poor attitude. You owe it to every American who has ever served for this country, who fought, and sometime died so that you might have the privileged of voting. Anything less is your dishonoring them.

You don't have to vote for either republican or democratic candidate, there should be plenty of other candidates to register a protest vote with (Reform party or Independent [i.e. Nader]. That is what I am likely to do. If you want, you can write me in (or yourself).

If anybody doesn't vote, they IMO lose any right to complain (at least to me).

If 60% of the americans who don't vote right now, went to the polls and voted a protest vote, things would be different in this country. Basically right now you have 20% of the people charting the course of this nation (50% candidates vote x 40% of eligible voters).

[engrshock]

I am not aware of how many posters on this board would be in the top 1% or 10% of those with the highest income but I doubt if it is a high percentage. Therefore many who argue against "so-called" income distribution is really arguing for their taxes to be increased. It is a fact that the top 10% of income earners pay 70% of the personal income tax revenue collected by the federal government. Therefore the top income earners are paying a higher amount of their income to the government and basically paying more than their equal share of the tax burden to cover those of lower income levels. IF everyone was to pay an equal amount of taxes then those below the 50% income level will pay 50% of the tax burden not 3% and would be paying a very large part of their income as taxes. Any reduction of what the upper 10% pays requires that lower 90% pay more. It is not very realistic to expect major reductions in expenditures.

http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6

[double dribble]

Enershock, You need to refigure your math. If we had a "Flat Tax" then the upper income earners still pay the most because they have more income.
I am certainly not in the top income bracket but I dont think it is fair for me to be taxed at a lower rate than someone who makes more than me. The progressive tax code was first created by Marx and is a staple of Communism.

[engrshock]

Enershock, You need to refigure your math. If we had a "Flat Tax" then the upper income earners still pay the most because they have more income.
I am certainly not in the top income bracket but I dont think it is fair for me to be taxed at a lower rate than someone who makes more than me. The progressive tax code was first created by Marx and is a staple of Communism.

My math is fine. Even with a flat tax those that make more will pay more than those that make less especially with personal and children's deductions. Hence even with a flat tax rate the upper income members will pay more than those with lower incomes and redistribute income. This will be true unless your flat tax is a flat per person tax not based on income. Even with a flat tax, assuming that expenditures are not drastically reduced if the top income earners are taxed less then lower income earners have to be taxed more to have the same revenue. Simple math.

[ShockerFever]

PM me your name SB and I'll vote for ya.. :lol: