Societal Colllapse looks like....

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

I think the foreshadowing is strong that she survives to Montana. That is where they bury her and he said that will be home.

[WstateU]

I think the foreshadowing is strong that she survives to Montana. That is where they bury her and he said that will be home.

Or they’ll leave us ‘hanging’ for season 2.

[1972Shocker]

Shocking Video Shows How Far Seattle Has Fallen Into Lawlessness and Squalor

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2022/02/28/shocking-video-shows-how-far-seattle-has-fallen-n2603894

[ShockTalk]

Shocking Video Shows How Far Seattle Has Fallen Into Lawlessness and Squalor

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2022/02/28/shocking-video-shows-how-far-seattle-has-fallen-n2603894

Well, he did go down 1 side of a block, turned around and went back down the same side. If one looks across the street and down the other blocks, they didn't look like this.

I think it is pretty common (unfortunately) that large cities have small sections like this. I remember staying in downtown Denver about 10 years ago close to the then new convention center and seeing lots of people from my room window camping out overnight on the sidewalk across the street.

The question is why the cities allow this by not have proper shelters or, if they do, not require these people to stay there at night. It can be managed if the cities are willing to spend the money. That's the problem with the west coast cities. It's live and let live however the f**k you want.

[wufan]

Well, he did go down 1 side of a block, turned around and went back down the same side. If one looks across the street and down the other blocks, they didn't look like this.

I think it is pretty common (unfortunately) that large cities have small sections like this. I remember staying in downtown Denver about 10 years ago close to the then new convention center and seeing lots of people from my room window camping out overnight on the sidewalk across the street.

The question is why the cities allow this by not have proper shelters or, if they do, not require these people to stay there at night. It can be managed if the cities are willing to spend the money. That's the problem with the west coast cities. It's live and let live however the f**k you want.

Most major cities do not have enough shelters to house all of their homeless, but they ALMOST ALWAYS have empty shelters where homeless refuse to stay.

You have to forcibly remove the long term homeless, the vast majority of which are mentally I’ll or addicted to drugs.

Maybe a forced low level secured shelter where the druggies could spend a short amount of time getting clean and eating regularly? For the mentally ill, maybe we could have a long term hospital where they could get treatment?

[AndShock]

Decriminalizing addiction and other mental health issues is the first step but we’re still a long ways off from that.

Mentioning safe injection sights probably causes half of the populations heads to explode.

[wufan]

Decriminalizing addiction and other mental health issues is the first step but we’re still a long ways off from that.

Mentioning safe injection sights probably causes half of the populations heads to explode.

In my mind, decriminalizing addiction means you can do what you want in your home or a sanctioned establishment, not on the street. It also means not giving junkies free stuff. Those things won’t clear up the homeless population. Unfortunately you still have to jail them.

[MoValley John]

In my mind, decriminalizing addiction means you can do what you want in your home or a sanctioned establishment, not on the street. It also means not giving junkies free stuff. Those things won’t clear up the homeless population. Unfortunately you still have to jail them.

In my mind, decriminalizing would mean not charging addicts for being addicted. It would mean charging dealers harshly. It would mean not charging for catching a person with small amounts of drugs. Being intoxicated in public would still be a chargeable offense. Finding large amounts of drugs or catching anyone dealing is chargeable. Personal amounts of illegal drugs still would be seized without charges being filed. And no, giving out free paraphernalia is not part of decriminalization process.

[SubGod22]

I still say we need to go the Portugal route when it comes to drugs. Taking away the stigma and illegality of it all helps people get help and off of them as well.

Plus if you legalize things, we have more quality control of those substances which would make them safer and lead to fewer ODs and giving people a better chance at seeking help in the long run. We're a long way from that as we have way too many Judgy McJudgersons in this country who love to look down on people for doing something that doesn't harm them but isn't something they'd ever do so it must be evil types.

[Kung Wu]

Libertarians once thought that decriminalizing means you have to go to a doctor to get a prescription for your drugs. He will lecture you and then write the script for a few months worth (refillable). You are getting a checkup regularly this way, getting warned that your path is treacherous with some alternatives, making sure you get your stuff from a pharmacy where it's safe, and substantially reducing the cost and therefore profit incentive/margins from street thugs.

[Shockm]

Since the topic is on Societal Collapse, I'm not going to speak to decriminalization, but instead speak out for the voiceless who often are the victims of drug and alcohol addiction, and mental illness which often spawns drug abuse.

All addictions are tearing the fabric of our families apart. I don't know how to fix the problem except to pay attention to my own sphere of influence in my own family, so I probably don't pay enough attention to the families around me who have abundant functional addictions in their families. So I pay attention to the children within our own family, and watch over them to limit their scars, and I'm lucky that our family has few of these problems.

But I listen to my neighbor who is now a middle class Senior Citizen himself, and he tells me stories about his father and one can hear the scars that his alcoholic father produced, and decimated his family, in his voice. Those scars don't just stay with him. They are passed to his children and grandchildren.

Mental illnesses have tripled or quadrupled in the past 50-60 years, now according to psychologists, increasingly, passed off to children prior to birth in the womb. Mothers and fathers look for ways to medicate themselves so they look to pills, alcohol, and stronger drugs including opiates. Abused children pay the price, and then most likely pass it on to their children.

My advice is to those who wonder how to save society, look at your own sphere of influence first (your family first). Are there ways you can help the children? They don't have a voice, and probably could care less what a decriminalization definition is, but perhaps could use an adult to step in and help them.

[wufan]

Libertarians once thought that decriminalizing means you have to go to a doctor to get a prescription for your drugs. He will lecture you and then write the script for a few months worth (refillable). You are getting a checkup regularly this way, getting warned that your path is treacherous with some alternatives, making sure you get your stuff from a pharmacy where it's safe, and substantially reducing the cost and therefore profit incentive/margins from street thugs.

A libertarian suggesting you need a doctor to prescribe medicine? Hogwash!

[pinstripers]

A libertarian suggesting you need a doctor to prescribe medicine? Hogwash!

My cousin is a librarian and she...........oh wait.......NM

[wufan]

Since the topic is on Societal Collapse, I'm not going to speak to decriminalization, but instead speak out for the voiceless who often are the victims of drug and alcohol addiction, and mental illness which often spawns drug abuse.

All addictions are tearing the fabric of our families apart. I don't know how to fix the problem except to pay attention to my own sphere of influence in my own family, so I probably don't pay enough attention to the families around me who have abundant functional addictions in their families. So I pay attention to the children within our own family, and watch over them to limit their scars, and I'm lucky that our family has few of these problems.

But I listen to my neighbor who is now a middle class Senior Citizen himself, and he tells me stories about his father and one can hear the scars that his alcoholic father produced, and decimated his family, in his voice. Those scars don't just stay with him. They are passed to his children and grandchildren.

Mental illnesses have tripled or quadrupled in the past 50-60 years, now according to psychologists, increasingly, passed off to children prior to birth in the womb. Mothers and fathers look for ways to medicate themselves so they look to pills, alcohol, and stronger drugs including opiates. Abused children pay the price, and then most likely pass it on to their children.

My advice is to those who wonder how to save society, look at your own sphere of influence first (your family first). Are there ways you can help the children? They don't have a voice, and probably could care less what a decriminalization definition is, but perhaps could use an adult to step in and help them.

A few things I like about your take and a few I don’t.

What I like:

1. Take care of your family/where of influence. This is always the best way to handle things and I agree whole heartedly.

2. Take care of the children. I 100% agree with this thought, but I don’t know what that looks like to you.

What I don’t like:

1. Increased psychological illness leads to some drug abuse, but does not account for the majority of drug abuse. Those numbers are also inflated by definitional changes in the DSM. Additionally, drug use does not necessitate child abuse just as dancing does not necessarily lead to sex. So, as you mentioned, decriminalization of drugs has little to do with making children’s lives better or worse.

2. None of this addresses how to deal with homeless addicts or mentally ill homeless.

[Kung Wu]

A libertarian suggesting you need a doctor to prescribe medicine? Hogwash!

Lol