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    Saw this in the Eagle and was angry as hell. According to a Free Speech Group who monitors colleges and universities around the nation and how well they support free speech, WSU and Central Mizzou State are the worst rated colleges in Missouri and Kansas in supporting free speech. Evidently, WSU's policy on sexual harassment doesn't follow the US Supreme Court's decision on what constitutes sexual harassment. Do you agree?


  • #2
    Are you angry as hell at WSU or FIRE? A lot of what I read seemed stupid. Didn't think the article was worth the paper it was written on. Am I missing something?

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    • #3
      Yeah, because it's important that we can tell sexually explicit jokes in class.
      Kung Wu say, man making mistake in elevator wrong on many levels.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post
        Yeah, because it's important that we can tell sexually explicit jokes in class.
        That's a hill I'm willing to die on, sir!
        "In God we trust, all others must bring data." - W. Edwards Deming

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Shox The Revenant View Post
          Saw this in the Eagle and was angry as hell.
          Please explain what about this policy has you angry?

          • Sexual Harassment

            Unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature. Sexual harassment includes unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and/or other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature. Sexual harassment can take several forms:
            1. Quid Pro Quo Sexual Harassment occurs when submission to unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature is made explicitly or implicitly a term or condition of employment or participation in an academic program; or submission to or rejection of unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature by an individual is used as the basis for employment decisions or academic decisions affecting that individual, including but not limited to grades, pay, promotion, and transfers.
            2. Hostile Environment Sexual Harassment occurs when unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature has the purpose or effect of unreasonably interfering with a person's work or academic performance and/or creates an intimidating, hostile, or offensive environment for working, learning, or living on campus, or in connection to an institutional program. The determination for whether an environment is “hostile” is often contextual and must be based on the circumstances.
            3. Third Party Sexual Harassment occurs when unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature is perpetrated by individuals who are not employees or students at the University.
          Kung Wu say, man making mistake in elevator wrong on many levels.

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          • #6
            My bad, I'm angry at FIRE for giving WSU such a poor rating. I find it utterly absurd.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Shox The Revenant View Post
              My bad, I'm angry at FIRE for giving WSU such a poor rating. I find it utterly absurd.
              Then this will really fire you up ... compare our sexual harassment policy above with K-State's (which got a "green light"):

              Sexual Harassment

              Sexual harassment involves unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature in which submission to or rejection of such conduct explicitly or implicitly affects an individual's work or school performance or creates an intimidating, hostile, or offensive environment
              Types of Sexual Harassment

              Quid pro quo- when the perpetrator makes anything (getting a raise, obtaining housing, getting an certain grade in a course) contingent upon the victim providing sexual favors
              Hostile environment- when unwelcome and persistent sexual conduct creates an uncomfortable and hostile environment for the victim
              Kung Wu say, man making mistake in elevator wrong on many levels.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post

                Then this will really fire you up ... compare our sexual harassment policy above with K-State's (which got a "green light"):


                Perhaps the Eagle reporter should explain the difference. Better yet, they should have FIRE explain the big difference between WSU's statement and KSU's. Put their feet to the fire so to speak.

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                • #9
                  I'm highly skeptical about this idea that free speech on college campuses is somehow "under attack."

                  Here's an article written by the president of Columbia, who is also a first amendment scholar. And by the way, the article is part of a project funded by the Charles Koch Foundation (so arguments about how it's "liberal" or "left wing" can be left at the door, thanks):




                  And for those of you who won't freak out that the source is Vox, here's a pretty good examination of just how much the "crisis" is being overblown:




                  Lastly, this is a pretty good (although numbingly dry) article examining the two polar opposite views, and has some interesting information about the FIRE organization:
                  Which of the warring gods should we serve?—Max Weber Freedom of expression, we are often told, is democracy’s lifeblood, the medium through which even the most contentious viewpoints can pass. Free speech, according to this view, is debate’s condition of possibility; it is not, in principle, meant to be the subject of debate itself. In times of crisis, however, foundational principles are called into question. The present seems just such a moment. Rather than provide the broader framework for disagreement, free speech itself has become a source of contention.
                  "It's amazing to watch Ron slide into that open area, Fred will find him and it's straight cash homie."--HCGM

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Rocky Mountain Shock View Post
                    I'm highly skeptical about this idea that free speech on college campuses is somehow "under attack."
                    I share your skepticism. I think there ARE some heavily leftist run campuses that shut down conservative voices by preventing them from being guest speakers, but those are far from the norm. At least I hope they are.
                    Kung Wu say, man making mistake in elevator wrong on many levels.

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                    • #11
                      Agree with KungWu. Not a fan of hecklers veto or, in rare instances, making “time and place” restrictions untenable by requiring an absurd amount of security to be provided by the speaker as a condition of the speech.
                      Livin the dream

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post

                        I share your skepticism. I think there ARE some heavily leftist run campuses that shut down conservative voices by preventing them from being guest speakers, but those are far from the norm. At least I hope they are.
                        Absolutely. FIRE has been overreacting for some time, but their "rating" of WSU struck my nerve.
                        "It's amazing to watch Ron slide into that open area, Fred will find him and it's straight cash homie."--HCGM

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