Shockers vs K-State (3,327 Fans Needed)

[lemuel777]

Nobody should question dregn's loyalty to the Shox. I know the guy, I've sat with him at many basketball games, and you can all trust me that he knows his stuff and is as loyal to WSU as any of us.

Maybe true, but he needs some new Shocker eye wear.

[SubGod22]

Nobody should question dregn's loyalty to the Shox. I know the guy, I've sat with him at many basketball games, and you can all trust me that he knows his stuff and is as loyal to WSU as any of us.

[dregn]

No problem, offer still stands in a few weeks when we play Bradley. I gave you the wrong section number by mistake or to hide from ya, ;). Actually sit in 125. Sometimes I hate message boards because you can't read emotions and know how people mean things. Think a place like this would be a lot better if people would get to know each other off the board also.

[SpanglerFan316]

If you really wanna know what I'm like come on by and meet me. Section 126, usually in the first 10 rows along the west side of the section. Name is Dennis and I'll be wearing a Coca-Cola Zero shirt today I think. We can talk WSU sports, WSU the school, or anything else. I'll even buy the first pitcher at the Cedar afterward if your up for it (as long as I still have enough time to make it up to the hockey rink by 6ish).

Sorry; I didn't notice this post before going to the VB game. Although we lost, I hope this weekend helps the team improve. (I have a bunch of work I have to have ready Monday morning. Hope you enjoy the Cedar!!)

[SpanglerFan316]

I can see if you didn't know the person you may think they were trying to belittle WSU, but when you've refered to me as a pollyanna related to WSU volleyball I thought maybe you'd you remember me. I don't even know why this is continuing. It's my estimate based on past experiences of estimating crowds and my opinion. Everyone else is entitled to their opinion and I'm not going to try and belittle them. I'll admit my 4000-4500 was probably low after thinking of it more, but if I was on the price is right I wouldn't go much over 5k.

OK. I really did not (and still don't) recall our disagreement. Did I refer to you as a "pollyanna"? (Not that "pollyanna"s are bad, of course!!) Everyone is entitled to her/his opinion but saying that as few as 4000 fans actually attended when the announced attendance was 6024 is saying that the figures are a fabrication IMHO. I will admit this "pissed me off" (Can I say that on SN?). You think the actual attendance was closer to 5000 and I think it was closer to 6000; this is just a difference of opinion. The reason I think your estimate is wrong is because there were fewer than 700 season tickets sold (if I remember correctly) and, even if every single season ticket holder skipped the match, there would still have been over 5300 people who bought tickets for the match. Since North Texas and Cal Poly SLO are rather far away, I doubt that very many skipped the KSU-WSU game.

There is another issue. I don't know how WSU counts attendance. However, since they scan every ticket to a game/match, 6024 may have been the actual number of people who passed through the doors of Koch Arena with a ticket on Saturday. In this case, only season ticket holders who attended would be counted. Finally, I think most and probably almost all season ticket holders attended the KSU-WSU match.

Hats off to the KSU team. We had a chance to win game 3 but our errors and their play gave them the edge. I hope to see another KSU-WSU match at Koch Arena next year.

[dregn]

If you really wanna know what I'm like come on by and meet me. Section 126, usually in the first 10 rows along the west side of the section. Name is Dennis and I'll be wearing a Coca-Cola Zero shirt today I think. We can talk WSU sports, WSU the school, or anything else. I'll even buy the first pitcher at the Cedar afterward if your up for it (as long as I still have enough time to make it up to the hockey rink by 6ish).

[wxkid23]

I would guess right around 5k were really there.

[dregn]

I can see if you didn't know the person you may think they were trying to belittle WSU, but when you've refered to me as a pollyanna related to WSU volleyball I thought maybe you'd you remember me. I don't even know why this is continuing. It's my estimate based on past experiences of estimating crowds and my opinion. Everyone else is entitled to their opinion and I'm not going to try and belittle them. I'll admit my 4000-4500 was probably low after thinking of it more, but if I was on the price is right I wouldn't go much over 5k.

[SpanglerFan316]

dregn— nobody I sat with got tapped on the shoulder by a blind guy, so you must have missed our row.

Even a blind person would have been able to tell that there were more than dregn's 4500 actual fans from the noise at the end of the second game.

[SpanglerFan316]

There was a thread in the basketball forum that was discussing conference tournament attendence recently. I didn't make the post to "rain on a parade", but to give me take on the number which was posted and made a big deal of in this thread. It was my personal opinion on the attendence, nothing else.

Then I suspect that you cannot see how your post might look like one from a fan of another school (e.g. KSU,KU,CU,MSU,SIU) who wanted to belittle WSU and suggest that the attendance figures were completely false.

[boyshocker]

Definitley 6000 there last night, no doubt about it.
But we can't run a 5-1 with a setter who isn't going to block, I was frustrated the whole night. We win a game and then change the lineup.
Plus the 5-1 has Sara serve rec. then blocking, she is good but I don't think quick enough. What happen to Jakubov, switched to outside and faded away. Our setting is not bad enough to not play a 6-2, sitting at the end of the court I saw plenty of sets last night that missed their mark.
Sorry, could go on. Just frustrated that we have possibly hundreds of people seeing vb for the first time and we do not show our best.

[Wuzee]

dregn— nobody I sat with got tapped on the shoulder by a blind guy, so you must have missed our row.

[rayc]

Dregn:
I just hate how I see posters make comments about how the Big XII basketball tournaments inflate their numbers, but people don't think WSU and the Valley does the same.

I assume that the poster you are referring to is me since I’m the one who criticized the ACC for their method of reporting CONFERENCE TOURNAMENT attendance (but only after a poster alluded to these dubious figures as proof of BCS conference tournaments outdrawing the lowly MVC tournament). Their tournament attendance figures in Tampa were inflated as were probably the Big12 and any other conference that routinely rotates their tournament location. The reason, I believe and also clearly stated, is purely economic.

With the exception of these rotating CONFERENCE TOURNAMENTS, everyone is reasonably consistent in using ticket sold in lieu of attendance figures, particularly individual schools during seasonal games/tournaments.

It is simply not an individual school issue; it is a league office issue relating to CONFERENCE TOURNAMENTS and was addressed as such! Your tirade on WSU volleyball attendance was absolutely astounding.

If you feel your precious Big12 is unjustly accused, speak up when it occurs, and chastise me for my comments, not WSU. And yes, your comments do appear, to me at least, as being from a big fan of the Big12; otherwise why even make the comments?

Frankly I find the whole discussion of CONFERENCE TOURNAMENT attendance figures rather silly because basically they are meaningless … until someone uses them as proof of some imagined superiority.

[dregn]

There was a thread in the basketball forum that was discussing conference tournament attendence recently. I didn't make the post to "rain on a parade", but to give me take on the number which was posted and made a big deal of in this thread. It was my personal opinion on the attendence, nothing else.

[SpanglerFan316]

If it was 6024 that showed up then Koch holds 15k, but it was a good 4000-4500 butts in seats.

It was way more than half full, were you talking about during the last game of the match?

I don't understand why dregn felt it was necessary to make such a post. Is he/she bitter about something? Is he/she a KSU fan? a KU fan? a troll?

Actually I'm not done with that yet. That's probably the most offensive thing someone has posted about me in the 3-4 years I've been posting here. For whatever reason a year ago I pissed you off with a post I've made and I feel like you've held that against me for whatever reason. That's your choice and I put our little tiff behind me a long time ago and have tried to go out of my way to not make any comment that you may feel is negative against you.

Sorry but I don't remember the post you mentioned. I also didn't remember that we had a disagreement in the past; life is too short to worry about internet arguments. I'll take your word that such a disagreement did occur. I didn't understand why someone wanted to "rain on the parade" after a very exciting VB match. You are correct that 6024 people were probably not in the seats but I'll bet that the number of actual people was closer to 6000 than to 5000. How many Cal Poly, North Texas and KSU fans do you think attended an earlier game but missed the KSU-WSU game? Probably not many. How many season ticket holders missed the game? I'll bet the number is small. I looked around Koch tonight and it looked more than half full to me.

Did I miss a recent thread on SN where we discussed the way the Big 10 or Big 12 or ACC count attendance? If so, I forgot it. Who cares about how others count attendance? This must be important to you. I just don't understand your motivation in making your initial post. Why "rain on the parade"?

If you really want to know my history with WSU as a student and a fan I have no problem giving it. Just send me a private message and I'll tell you my story. I've never posted things that are negative about players or the teams and I've always tried to stay positive well posting on this board.

In the meantime I don't think anyone would question SubGod on what kind of fan he is of WSU and he knows me personally. I definately think he could vouch for me that I'm as big of a fan of WSU, both the sports and the school, as anyone. He could also vouch that I would have a clue of how WSU reports attendence versus how they report it. This post may not be on topic, but i'm just very pissed and offended that you'd post something like that about me without having a clue who I am.

I am willing to accept your word that you are a strong Shocker fan. I'm not sure WHY a strong Shocker fan would post as you did but there are lots of things I don't understand. I forget who on SN are KSU or KU fans and I thought a fan of such a school might post to belittle WSU. Obviously I was wrong.