Bracket Busters

[im4wsu]

Plus, we get them coming off a Wednesday night road game at Northeastern in Boston. That's a pretty nasty 48 hour turnaround that works in our favor. We play a Tuesday night game that week.

That is the FEb 2 game. They are coming off a home game on Tuesday, 2/15, vs. George Mason.

[GoShockers89]

You can compare the two RPIs, GM versus VCU, if you want but I'd rather beat the Colonial champion. Right now that's VCU. That will carry more weight come March than a few RPI positions.

No it won't. Conference doesn't mean a hill of beans to the committee outside of scheduling.

The Committee, biased as they may be, doesn't totally rely on RPI. They don't get sequestered for 3 days just to regurgitate what a computer spits out. Conference championships do count in people's minds and it will carry weight. That's one of those intangibles that throws a 30 out and a 40 in. It's not only numbers. Call it an "Eye Test" item.

http://www.bbstate.com/schools/WICH/sheet

Ain't no eye test involved. The most important number is AVERAGE RPI WIN. Ours is 193.Aside from that the committee sees W/L, SOS, and winning % rank, as well as wins broken down by RPI range. THEY DON'T SEE CONFERENCE. They don't even see conference finish. It's about the numbers and how WSU stacks up against other teams.

Want a hint? WE DON'T. We might not have a bad loss, but an OOC-SOS of 343, an ARPIW of 193, and all those little red boxes in RPIs 1-100 mean one thing, LOU OR BUST.

As of today, you are correct. You fail to take into account that we can improve our Average RPI win by 50+ in the home stretch, and that we have we have up to 3 possible top 50 RPI games remaining on our schedule.

Our end of the year sheet may look very, very different from our current one. Don't write us off prematurely.

[kcshocker11]

Lets not forget 1st we must beat them!

[wusphlash]

You can compare the two RPIs, GM versus VCU, if you want but I'd rather beat the Colonial champion. Right now that's VCU. That will carry more weight come March than a few RPI positions.

No it won't. Conference doesn't mean a hill of beans to the committee outside of scheduling.

The Committee, biased as they may be, doesn't totally rely on RPI. They don't get sequestered for 3 days just to regurgitate what a computer spits out. Conference championships do count in people's minds and it will carry weight. That's one of those intangibles that throws a 30 out and a 40 in. It's not only numbers. Call it an "Eye Test" item.

http://www.bbstate.com/schools/WICH/sheet

Ain't no eye test involved. The most important number is AVERAGE RPI WIN. Ours is 193.Aside from that the committee sees W/L, SOS, and winning % rank, as well as wins broken down by RPI range. THEY DON'T SEE CONFERENCE. They don't even see conference finish. It's about the numbers and how WSU stacks up against other teams.

Want a hint? WE DON'T. We might not have a bad loss, but an OOC-SOS of 343, an ARPIW of 193, and all those little red boxes in RPIs 1-100 mean one thing, LOU OR BUST.

In the framework that this conversation was about the merits of playing a conference champion VCU versus a second place GMU I believe I'll take the victory over the champion. I'm really not sure where your stat sheet fits in in that regard. God save us from engineers.

[XManCometh]

Since when do we complain about playing a team that's getting votes in the Coaches Poll and has an RPI of 51? Last time I checked, we have exactly zero wins against top 100 RPI teams this season. This is a chance at a good resume win, because I really doubt the committee is going to be blown away by our highest RPI win this season, which right now is against 117th ranked Indiana State.

[AndShock]

Since when do we complain about playing a team that's getting votes in the Coaches Poll and has an RPI of 51? Last time I checked, we have exactly zero wins against top 100 RPI teams this season. This is a chance at a good resume win, because I really doubt the committee is going to be blown away by our highest RPI win this season, which right now is against 117th ranked Indiana State.

We're not really complaining about getting VCU, they're a great team. We just would've rather had Mason.

[XManCometh]

Since when do we complain about playing a team that's getting votes in the Coaches Poll and has an RPI of 51? Last time I checked, we have exactly zero wins against top 100 RPI teams this season. This is a chance at a good resume win, because I really doubt the committee is going to be blown away by our highest RPI win this season, which right now is against 117th ranked Indiana State.

We're not really complaining about getting VCU, they're a great team. We just would've rather had Mason.

I should have used a different word other than "complain". "Unhappy" would have been a better word. We can get a good look at both teams, as they play on Feb 15th on ESPNU. A game that will most likely decide the conference championship, just a few days before our BB matchup.

[ShockerFever]

Why is it saying our game time is 7:30? Typo I assume?

[ShockBand]

According to what I've seen it is at 7 Eastern/6 Central. Has to be a typo.

[newshock1234]

with Carl Hall switching from VCU to us, then that makes the return trip to VCU pretty interesting.

[fastbow]

In the framework that this conversation was about the merits of playing a conference champion VCU versus a second place GMU I believe I'll take the victory over the champion. I'm really not sure where your stat sheet fits in in that regard. God save us from engineers.

I will repeat myself then. The committee doesn't give two hoots if you beat a conference champ. They see AQs, and that same dang sheet I just posted. Unless we AQ, we are at the mercy of our sheet. I am grateful for the VCU game, as that gives us one more shot at a Top 50 team, but I couldn't care less if they win their conference or not. The committee doesn't either. They have just a few days to not only pick every at-large, but also rank, seed, and bracket all 68 teams. They don't have time to dredge up every minor detail about a team that's on the bubble. They decided somehow that these stats here are the most important things to look at, so I will follow their lead ad look at them too.

Unless you can show me where on that sheet they record conference finish, or more importantly opponent conference finish, it doesn't matter. All that matters is Top 50 RPI and a little boost to our WOEFUL OOCORPI.

I thought I made this clear the first time. I guess not.

/For the record, not an engineer, but I do favor precision and the execution of misinformation.

[ShockTalk]

You can compare the two RPIs, GM versus VCU, if you want but I'd rather beat the Colonial champion. Right now that's VCU. That will carry more weight come March than a few RPI positions.

No it won't. Conference doesn't mean a hill of beans to the committee outside of scheduling.

The Committee, biased as they may be, doesn't totally rely on RPI. They don't get sequestered for 3 days just to regurgitate what a computer spits out. Conference championships do count in people's minds and it will carry weight. That's one of those intangibles that throws a 30 out and a 40 in. It's not only numbers. Call it an "Eye Test" item.

http://www.bbstate.com/schools/WICH/sheet

Ain't no eye test involved. The most important number is AVERAGE RPI WIN. Ours is 193.Aside from that the committee sees W/L, SOS, and winning % rank, as well as wins broken down by RPI range. THEY DON'T SEE CONFERENCE. They don't even see conference finish. It's about the numbers and how WSU stacks up against other teams.

Want a hint? WE DON'T. We might not have a bad loss, but an OOC-SOS of 343, an ARPIW of 193, and all those little red boxes in RPIs 1-100 mean one thing, LOU OR BUST.

fastbow or anyone else: Can you tell me how Basketball State comes up with the OOC-SOS??? They have WSU at 343, yet have Cincinnati at 269. Here's who they've played using their own RPI #s.

WSU top 50% of OOC-SOS games: 4, 6, 122, 153, 185 (Avg 94)
Cinc. top 46% of OOC-SOS games: 18, 72, 100, 105, 120, 166 (Avg 97)

WSU bottom 50%: 191, 195, 197, 307, 329 (Avg 244)
Cinc. bottom 54%: 223, 239, 259, 295, 323, 337, 340 (Avg 288)

I'm guessing it has to be more complicated than how I look at the two schedules, but I just don't see how WSU's schedule would be 74 teams lower. I don't know if it's considered, but Cincinnati played 77% of their games (including 4 of 6 of the top 50%) at home, while WSU played 60% of their games (including only 1 of 5 of the top 50%) at home.

[shocker3]

You can compare the two RPIs, GM versus VCU, if you want but I'd rather beat the Colonial champion. Right now that's VCU. That will carry more weight come March than a few RPI positions.

No it won't. Conference doesn't mean a hill of beans to the committee outside of scheduling.

The Committee, biased as they may be, doesn't totally rely on RPI. They don't get sequestered for 3 days just to regurgitate what a computer spits out. Conference championships do count in people's minds and it will carry weight. That's one of those intangibles that throws a 30 out and a 40 in. It's not only numbers. Call it an "Eye Test" item.

http://www.bbstate.com/schools/WICH/sheet

Ain't no eye test involved. The most important number is AVERAGE RPI WIN. Ours is 193.Aside from that the committee sees W/L, SOS, and winning % rank, as well as wins broken down by RPI range. THEY DON'T SEE CONFERENCE. They don't even see conference finish. It's about the numbers and how WSU stacks up against other teams.

Want a hint? WE DON'T. We might not have a bad loss, but an OOC-SOS of 343, an ARPIW of 193, and all those little red boxes in RPIs 1-100 mean one thing, LOU OR BUST.

fastbow or anyone else: Can you tell me how Basketball State comes up with the OOC-SOS??? They have WSU at 343, yet have Cincinnati at 269. Here's who they've played using their own RPI #s.

WSU top 50% of OOC-SOS games: 4, 6, 122, 153, 185 (Avg 94)
Cinc. top 46% of OOC-SOS games: 18, 72, 100, 105, 120, 166 (Avg 97)

WSU bottom 50%: 191, 195, 197, 307, 329 (Avg 244)
Cinc. bottom 54%: 223, 239, 259, 295, 323, 337, 340 (Avg 288)

I'm guessing it has to be more complicated than how I look at the two schedules, but I just don't see how WSU's schedule would be 74 teams lower. I don't know if it's considered, but Cincinnati played 77% of their games (including 4 of 6 of the top 50%) at home, while WSU played 60% of their games (including only 1 of 5 of the top 50%) at home.

That sheet is just plain wrong. There is no way our non-con SOS could be 343. Only two of our non-con games are 200 or worse and two of our games are against the #4 and #6 rpi teams which should more than offset the two bad games.

Warren Nolan has our SOS at 109. There is no way our overall SOS could be 109 if our non-con was 343. The Valley just isn't that good this year to offset that kind of non-con to improve the overall SOS to 109.

[shox1989]

This event doesn't exist without the Valley. Take away our top five teams and it's nothing.

Agree completely, but that's not exactly an accomplishment.

Actually the Valley is even slipping in this event. The Valley had 4 or more teams in the TV games every year until last year (only 3 Valley teams on TV last year), a few times have had 5 teams, and one year we even had 6. For the second straight year only 3 are on TV (WSU, UNI and SWOMO).

It appears Indy State chose a bad time to tank. If they had stayed in the rpi top 100 I am sure they would have been on TV. As it is a few of the TV teams have an rpi worse than 100.

[WSUShokker]

I like playing other teams and without reading other recent posts in this thread...someone else may have picked up on this

teams in the ncaa tournament that were in a BB game

2006 19 berths
2007 17 berths
2008 15 berths
2009 12 berths
2010 11 berths

What the hell good is this tournament doing for the have nots? How are these NCAA tournaments berths declining at such a rate.

Maybe Im wrong ....I dont get it