Shocker Fitness report

[SpanglerFan316]

Or al least, allow us to think we are still young.

:good:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[SB Shock]

i might have to take up this new trend called yogging

I'm not sure but apparently you just run for an extended period of time! It's supposed to be wild.

Take me to pleasure town!

[rrshock]

Even if sprinting and long distance running are different, which I believe they are completely different, being able to run long distances in good times will help with your short running. If nothing else it helps your lungs get used to taking in the air, keeps the muscles working good, keeps the blood flowing good, and whatever else it does.

This team will probably be the best in-shape team that many of us have seen at WSU. No question.

[rZ]

I guess this is one time that observation is unlikely to provide the correct conclusion.

If oxygen isn't used for the first 3-5 minutes of exercise, then why are people who run sprints (100 m - 400 m) gasping for breath at the end of their races?

Why do a couple of breaths from an oxygen tank almost immediately clear the heads and alleviate the overall discomfort of someone who has run a sprint and has "rubber legs" at the end of the race?

The reason that people who run a sprint or walk up a couple of flights of stairs are gasping for air is because of the additional oxygen needed to return the body to its normal state. This is called oxygen debt or EPOC. The increased oxygen uptake works to replenish ATP-PC as well as to help evacuate metabolic waste, which in this case would be lactic acid. High levels of lactic acid cause rubber legs which persists until it can be removed to the liver.

The degree to which this all occurs depends heavily on the intensity and duration of the exercise.

[AZ Shocker]

i might have to take up this new trend called yogging

Yogging? Is there really a silent "J" in that word? I always thought it was pronounced "jogging", and like SB Shock mentioned...it meant that you just run for an extended period of time. lol

Actually I don't know what it means. I'll be honest, I don't think anyone knows what it means anymore. Scholars maintain that the translation was lost hundreds of years ago.

Does anyone own any leather bound books so someone can go look up the meaning of the word. I think we need to be clear here. lol :D

[SpanglerFan316]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=jogging

[rZ]

i might have to take up this new trend called yogging

Yogging? Is there really a silent "J" in that word? I always thought it was pronounced "jogging", and like SB Shock mentioned...it meant that you just run for an extended period of time. lol

Actually I don't know what it means. I'll be honest, I don't think anyone knows what it means anymore. Scholars maintain that the translation was lost hundreds of years ago.

Does anyone own any leather bound books so someone can go look up the meaning of the word. I think we need to be clear here. lol :D

I thought it was an ancient Indian term meaning "To bend and look at butt in front of you"

[rockthechuck]

i might have to take up this new trend called yogging

Yogging? Is there really a silent "J" in that word? I always thought it was pronounced "jogging", and like SB Shock mentioned...it meant that you just run for an extended period of time. lol

Actually I don't know what it means. I'll be honest, I don't think anyone knows what it means anymore. Scholars maintain that the translation was lost hundreds of years ago.

Does anyone own any leather bound books so someone can go look up the meaning of the word. I think we need to be clear here. lol :D

No but my apartment smells of rich mahogany

[SB Shock]

No but my apartment smells of rich mahogany

God no, it smells like, like a used diaper... filled with... Indian food. Oh, excuse me.

[Shocka Lutha King]

That was the sweetest info throwdown on sn I have ever seen and when I say sweetest I mean it was bada$$!

Kick it rZ. What the hell do you do for a living.


SLK

[AZ Shocker]

No but my apartment smells of rich mahogany

lol

[Aargh]

Ok Aargh, no disrespect intended but everything you just said is well...wrong.

I've never been happier to be wrong. I learned a lot from being wrong.

I have a better understanding of how fitness works. A better understanding of the mechanisms behind fitness.

I think the fitness discussion supports the relevant factor. Guys who are used to running short distances are going to be able to repeat that more effectively if they can run for distance.

Basketball is a 40-minute endurance contest. It's not a timed event over 20 yards. Speed over 20 yards is critical and the players have to be able to do that, but they have to be able to do that repeatedly.

The mile times at this stage of the year are a good indication that the Shox will be able to run and will have some endurance over 40 minutes.

[SpanglerFan316]

I guess this is one time that observation is unlikely to provide the correct conclusion.

If oxygen isn't used for the first 3-5 minutes of exercise, then why are people who run sprints (100 m - 400 m) gasping for breath at the end of their races?

Why do a couple of breaths from an oxygen tank almost immediately clear the heads and alleviate the overall discomfort of someone who has run a sprint and has "rubber legs" at the end of the race?

Because the large amounts of oxygen that the muscles will be needing after the switch to aerobic need to get into the bloodstream to start the journey to the muscles. The air you breath doesn't make it to the muscles of your extremities immediately after you breath it, even during strenuous exercise. It has to take the same route (for the most part) that it does when you are sitting in your lazy boy.

The brain gets oxygen very soon after absorption, which is why pure oxygen can "clear the head" quickly. The muscles don't get it so fast.

ACTUALLY ... the muscles get oxygen about as quickly as the brain.
"A healthy heart is so strong that it is almost never a cause of tiredness during exercise.

Tiredness during exercise comes from your muscles. They run out of fuel or out of oxygen. Skeletal muscles use both fat and sugar for energy.

When your muscles run out of their stored sugar supply, called glycogen, they cannot contract and function adequately. You feel tired, your muscles hurt and you have difficulty coordinating them.

On the other hand, your heart muscle gets energy directly from fat and sugar in your blood and even from a breakdown product of metabolism called lactic acid. It is virtually impossible for the heart muscle to run out of fuel unless you are starving to death."

http://www.thefinalsprint.com/tag/oxygen/

"Plenty of research has swirled around about lactic acid in recent years and now scientists have debunked many of the myths that lactic impairs performance. In fact, now it is believed that lactic acid actually provides another fuel source for working muscles.

Lactic acid may still be behind the burning sensation during intense exercise but new research has confirmed that delayed onset muscle soreness is from the are microscopic tears and trauma to the muscles and inflammation.

Lactic acid was always seen as a by-product of metabolizing glucose for energy and a waste product that caused a burning sensation in the muscles. Now it is seen as another important fuel source in the body. Lactic acid is formed from glucose, and used by working muscles for energy. Now it is thought that muscle cells convert glucose or glycogen to lactic acid. Then lactic acid is absorbed converted to a fuel by mitochondria in muscle cells.

By training at a high intensity, it is thought that athletes allow the lactic acid to be more easily absorbed and converted to energy because the create additional proteins that do that job."

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/exercisephysiology/a/aa091301a.htm

The following URL does not resolve on SN. http://revelsports.com/Articles/RRNE...es Fatigue.htm The following is quoted from the link:

"And now, the capper: A very recent study causes us to reject Hill's hypothesis completely. In very new work, researchers have shown that in fact the addition of lactic acid has beneficial effects on the force production of very tired muscles (6). You heard it here first!

In this up-to-date research, investigators revealed that increased levels of lactic acid influence the activity of chloride-ion "channels" in muscle cells; this change in activity sustains force production by muscles, instead of limiting it!

What does all of this have to do with you, the endurance runner (or cyclist, swimmer, skier, rower, or canoeist)? It means once again that developing a huge capacity to bring lactic acid in to your muscle cells will have a major impact on your performances.

Believe it or not, that capacity to bring lactic acid home is not fostered by 100-mile weeks, or by the traditional "development of aerobic capacity." It is in fact enhanced by sizzling, red-hot workouts which flood the blood with lactic acid, a flooding which causes the muscle cells to perk up and say "Hey - we need to get better at clearing this stuff out of here!"

Your muscle cells, you see, have receptors for lactic acid which grab the little lactates as they swim feverishly in the blood; these receptors can pull the fine lactate fellows inward. If you run 100 miles per week at moderate intensities, your receptor fauna is impoverished, because your muscles don't like to do anything they don't need to do. If there's not much lactic acid in the blood, they see no need to fire up receptor production.

On the other hand, if you pencil Lactate-Stacker Sessions into your program with regularity, your muscles will have no choice but to drum up lactate-receptor synthesis, a production which will reduce your fatigue during fast running and lead to better performances in your races.

The Lactate-Stacker Session is one of the easiest workouts to put together: After a good warm-up, all you need to do is blast along at close-to-max speed for one-minute work intervals, with two-minute (jog) recoveries. Start with just six work intervals for your first Lactate-Stacker session, and progress to more reps over time.

Research carried out by the godfather of modern exercise physiology, Per-Olof Astrand of Sweden, has shown that just eight one-minute intervals (with two-minute recoveries) produces a blood-lactate concentration of almost 16 mMoles/liter in the typical athlete, an incredible outpouring which will have your muscle cells stacking up dense growths of receptors on your leg-muscle membranes (7). As your muscle membranes become tangled forests of lactate receptors, your performances will improve at all distances from 800 meters up to 800 miles. Use the Lactate-Stacker session often, and have fun with it (it's nice to know that you can perform this session anywhere you like to run)."

[rZ]

I guess this is one time that observation is unlikely to provide the correct conclusion.

If oxygen isn't used for the first 3-5 minutes of exercise, then why are people who run sprints (100 m - 400 m) gasping for breath at the end of their races?

Why do a couple of breaths from an oxygen tank almost immediately clear the heads and alleviate the overall discomfort of someone who has run a sprint and has "rubber legs" at the end of the race?

Because the large amounts of oxygen that the muscles will be needing after the switch to aerobic need to get into the bloodstream to start the journey to the muscles. The air you breath doesn't make it to the muscles of your extremities immediately after you breath it, even during strenuous exercise. It has to take the same route (for the most part) that it does when you are sitting in your lazy boy.

The brain gets oxygen very soon after absorption, which is why pure oxygen can "clear the head" quickly. The muscles don't get it so fast.

ACTUALLY ... the muscles get oxygen about as quickly as the brain.
"A healthy heart is so strong that it is almost never a cause of tiredness during exercise.

Tiredness during exercise comes from your muscles. They run out of fuel or out of oxygen. Skeletal muscles use both fat and sugar for energy.

When your muscles run out of their stored sugar supply, called glycogen, they cannot contract and function adequately. You feel tired, your muscles hurt and you have difficulty coordinating them.

On the other hand, your heart muscle gets energy directly from fat and sugar in your blood and even from a breakdown product of metabolism called lactic acid. It is virtually impossible for the heart muscle to run out of fuel unless you are starving to death."

http://www.thefinalsprint.com/tag/oxygen/

"Plenty of research has swirled around about lactic acid in recent years and now scientists have debunked many of the myths that lactic impairs performance. In fact, now it is believed that lactic acid actually provides another fuel source for working muscles.

Lactic acid may still be behind the burning sensation during intense exercise but new research has confirmed that delayed onset muscle soreness is from the are microscopic tears and trauma to the muscles and inflammation.

Lactic acid was always seen as a by-product of metabolizing glucose for energy and a waste product that caused a burning sensation in the muscles. Now it is seen as another important fuel source in the body. Lactic acid is formed from glucose, and used by working muscles for energy. Now it is thought that muscle cells convert glucose or glycogen to lactic acid. Then lactic acid is absorbed converted to a fuel by mitochondria in muscle cells.

By training at a high intensity, it is thought that athletes allow the lactic acid to be more easily absorbed and converted to energy because the create additional proteins that do that job."

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/exercisephysiology/a/aa091301a.htm

The following URL does not resolve on SN. http://revelsports.com/Articles/RRNE...es Fatigue.htm The following is quoted from the link:

"And now, the capper: A very recent study causes us to reject Hill's hypothesis completely. In very new work, researchers have shown that in fact the addition of lactic acid has beneficial effects on the force production of very tired muscles (6). You heard it here first!

In this up-to-date research, investigators revealed that increased levels of lactic acid influence the activity of chloride-ion "channels" in muscle cells; this change in activity sustains force production by muscles, instead of limiting it!

What does all of this have to do with you, the endurance runner (or cyclist, swimmer, skier, rower, or canoeist)? It means once again that developing a huge capacity to bring lactic acid in to your muscle cells will have a major impact on your performances.

Believe it or not, that capacity to bring lactic acid home is not fostered by 100-mile weeks, or by the traditional "development of aerobic capacity." It is in fact enhanced by sizzling, red-hot workouts which flood the blood with lactic acid, a flooding which causes the muscle cells to perk up and say "Hey - we need to get better at clearing this stuff out of here!"

Your muscle cells, you see, have receptors for lactic acid which grab the little lactates as they swim feverishly in the blood; these receptors can pull the fine lactate fellows inward. If you run 100 miles per week at moderate intensities, your receptor fauna is impoverished, because your muscles don't like to do anything they don't need to do. If there's not much lactic acid in the blood, they see no need to fire up receptor production.

On the other hand, if you pencil Lactate-Stacker Sessions into your program with regularity, your muscles will have no choice but to drum up lactate-receptor synthesis, a production which will reduce your fatigue during fast running and lead to better performances in your races.

The Lactate-Stacker Session is one of the easiest workouts to put together: After a good warm-up, all you need to do is blast along at close-to-max speed for one-minute work intervals, with two-minute (jog) recoveries. Start with just six work intervals for your first Lactate-Stacker session, and progress to more reps over time.

Research carried out by the godfather of modern exercise physiology, Per-Olof Astrand of Sweden, has shown that just eight one-minute intervals (with two-minute recoveries) produces a blood-lactate concentration of almost 16 mMoles/liter in the typical athlete, an incredible outpouring which will have your muscle cells stacking up dense growths of receptors on your leg-muscle membranes (7). As your muscle membranes become tangled forests of lactate receptors, your performances will improve at all distances from 800 meters up to 800 miles. Use the Lactate-Stacker session often, and have fun with it (it's nice to know that you can perform this session anywhere you like to run)."

Great info Spangler...this is some of the newest research available in the past couple of years. I didn't get into the lactic acid as energy stuff because sometimes the ATP-PC to glycolysis into oxidative phosphorylation can be difficult enough to understand, not to mention that the academics who do this research are still arguing like 5 year olds over who's research is right. The debate falls within the exact stoichiometric mechanisms that allow for lactic acid to be converted into an energy source.

[tgcshock]

I guess this is one time that observation is unlikely to provide the correct conclusion.

If oxygen isn't used for the first 3-5 minutes of exercise, then why are people who run sprints (100 m - 400 m) gasping for breath at the end of their races?

Why do a couple of breaths from an oxygen tank almost immediately clear the heads and alleviate the overall discomfort of someone who has run a sprint and has "rubber legs" at the end of the race?

Because the large amounts of oxygen that the muscles will be needing after the switch to aerobic need to get into the bloodstream to start the journey to the muscles. The air you breath doesn't make it to the muscles of your extremities immediately after you breath it, even during strenuous exercise. It has to take the same route (for the most part) that it does when you are sitting in your lazy boy.

The brain gets oxygen very soon after absorption, which is why pure oxygen can "clear the head" quickly. The muscles don't get it so fast.

ACTUALLY ... the muscles get oxygen about as quickly as the brain.
"A healthy heart is so strong that it is almost never a cause of tiredness during exercise.

Tiredness during exercise comes from your muscles. They run out of fuel or out of oxygen. Skeletal muscles use both fat and sugar for energy.

When your muscles run out of their stored sugar supply, called glycogen, they cannot contract and function adequately. You feel tired, your muscles hurt and you have difficulty coordinating them.

On the other hand, your heart muscle gets energy directly from fat and sugar in your blood and even from a breakdown product of metabolism called lactic acid. It is virtually impossible for the heart muscle to run out of fuel unless you are starving to death."

http://www.thefinalsprint.com/tag/oxygen/

"Plenty of research has swirled around about lactic acid in recent years and now scientists have debunked many of the myths that lactic impairs performance. In fact, now it is believed that lactic acid actually provides another fuel source for working muscles.

Lactic acid may still be behind the burning sensation during intense exercise but new research has confirmed that delayed onset muscle soreness is from the are microscopic tears and trauma to the muscles and inflammation.

Lactic acid was always seen as a by-product of metabolizing glucose for energy and a waste product that caused a burning sensation in the muscles. Now it is seen as another important fuel source in the body. Lactic acid is formed from glucose, and used by working muscles for energy. Now it is thought that muscle cells convert glucose or glycogen to lactic acid. Then lactic acid is absorbed converted to a fuel by mitochondria in muscle cells.

By training at a high intensity, it is thought that athletes allow the lactic acid to be more easily absorbed and converted to energy because the create additional proteins that do that job."

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/exercisephysiology/a/aa091301a.htm

The following URL does not resolve on SN. http://revelsports.com/Articles/RRNE...es Fatigue.htm The following is quoted from the link:

"And now, the capper: A very recent study causes us to reject Hill's hypothesis completely. In very new work, researchers have shown that in fact the addition of lactic acid has beneficial effects on the force production of very tired muscles (6). You heard it here first!

In this up-to-date research, investigators revealed that increased levels of lactic acid influence the activity of chloride-ion "channels" in muscle cells; this change in activity sustains force production by muscles, instead of limiting it!

What does all of this have to do with you, the endurance runner (or cyclist, swimmer, skier, rower, or canoeist)? It means once again that developing a huge capacity to bring lactic acid in to your muscle cells will have a major impact on your performances.

Believe it or not, that capacity to bring lactic acid home is not fostered by 100-mile weeks, or by the traditional "development of aerobic capacity." It is in fact enhanced by sizzling, red-hot workouts which flood the blood with lactic acid, a flooding which causes the muscle cells to perk up and say "Hey - we need to get better at clearing this stuff out of here!"

Your muscle cells, you see, have receptors for lactic acid which grab the little lactates as they swim feverishly in the blood; these receptors can pull the fine lactate fellows inward. If you run 100 miles per week at moderate intensities, your receptor fauna is impoverished, because your muscles don't like to do anything they don't need to do. If there's not much lactic acid in the blood, they see no need to fire up receptor production.

On the other hand, if you pencil Lactate-Stacker Sessions into your program with regularity, your muscles will have no choice but to drum up lactate-receptor synthesis, a production which will reduce your fatigue during fast running and lead to better performances in your races.

The Lactate-Stacker Session is one of the easiest workouts to put together: After a good warm-up, all you need to do is blast along at close-to-max speed for one-minute work intervals, with two-minute (jog) recoveries. Start with just six work intervals for your first Lactate-Stacker session, and progress to more reps over time.

Research carried out by the godfather of modern exercise physiology, Per-Olof Astrand of Sweden, has shown that just eight one-minute intervals (with two-minute recoveries) produces a blood-lactate concentration of almost 16 mMoles/liter in the typical athlete, an incredible outpouring which will have your muscle cells stacking up dense growths of receptors on your leg-muscle membranes (7). As your muscle membranes become tangled forests of lactate receptors, your performances will improve at all distances from 800 meters up to 800 miles. Use the Lactate-Stacker session often, and have fun with it (it's nice to know that you can perform this session anywhere you like to run)."

Great info Spangler...this is some of the newest research available in the past couple of years. I didn't get into the lactic acid as energy stuff because sometimes the ATP-PC to glycolysis into oxidative phosphorylation can be difficult enough to understand, not to mention that the academics who do this research are still arguing like 5 year olds over who's research is right. The debate falls within the exact stoichiometric mechanisms that allow for lactic acid to be converted into an energy source.

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