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  • Originally posted by ShockTalk
    I don't believe you can discuss the issue of MT in black or white terms.

    On the positive, I appreciated how quickly he turned the program around, led us to a S16, and how he became a good ambassador for WSU. He was very well liked and respected in the community.

    But let's not give too much credit. How many schools at our level (yes, I said it) have the fan support that has always been here along with the facilities that were later built. The Valley itself became more attractive to recruits. And, at the time, baseball at WSU was one of the reasons that we got Paul Miller, who had a little to do with our S16 run.

    On the negative, MT was good at recruiting to a certain level of player, but made it no secret that he found it very hard (maybe impossible in his mind) to get to that next level of player at WSU. There is a greater gamble of players succeeding at the level he was bringing in, and many didn't. Even in his first recruiting class, we saw most of them "top out" in their progress. Yes, we were not going to get Bowles, possibly even if MT had stayed here. Nevertheless, I feel he was wrong in accepting Bowles to aTm and I lost a lot of respect for him doing so. It's just not acceptable practice. As we later found out, there was a lot of discord among the players, as well as between players and coaches. Lossing TB and adding SS was not a positive for us, IMO. I really believe MT was on a sinking ship and he basically lucked out in his connection with the aTm AD as he was not going anywhere else because no one else was calling.

    Perhaps it would have been better if MT had left after the S16, we'll never know. But what I do know is we now have HCGM and I couldn't feel better about it. So I'll give credit to MT for his "poor timing" in leaving us, otherwise, we might not gotten HCGM!

    There ... I got it off my mind. Now I'm only going to look forward.

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    • I am a big supporter of MT and what he did for the program here. With that said, I have to agree with much of what ShockTalk said. I wouldn't go so far as to say the ship was sinking when MT left, but I would say that MT probably thought that he might not ever get back to the Sweet 16 at WSU. He undoubtedly knew that there could be a couple of lean years ahead, but I truly believe that he never thought it would get to the point that he would not win consistently. Without question, MT believed that recruiting would be easier at TAM. More players nearby, less travel, bigger budget. While I believe that the recruiting is a little bit easier in most respects, I think he has different problems now, not necessarily fewer or easier ones. Mark is a competitor and I know he thought his chances of "success" were greater at TAM. One thing I will say--- we need a coach that believes or at least SAYS he believes that we can get back to the Sweet 16. We have to aim at least that high and this community and its boosters can provide the resources to get that done.
      Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

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