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  • Originally posted by Eric View Post
    ESPN showing KU as a one this morning. Horseshit!
    Okay with me -- just send WSU to that same regional. Wouldn't they love that in NE Kansas?

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    • I'd be careful what you wish for. Not a KU fan but they are peaking at the right time and they are
      very much a perimeter oriented team and guarding the perimeter is not our long suit. In addition,
      DeSousa has given them more depth / size and strength inside. I'd prefer to keep our bragging
      rights until they agree to a home and home extended series.

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      • Originally posted by asiseeit View Post
        I'd be careful what you wish for. Not a KU fan but they are peaking at the right time and they are
        very much a perimeter oriented team and guarding the perimeter is not our long suit. In addition,
        DeSousa has given them more depth / size and strength inside. I'd prefer to keep our bragging
        rights until they agree to a home and home extended series.
        Honestly though, who is more scary. Virginia/Villanova/Xavier or Kansas?

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        • pie n eye
          pie n eye commented
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          In my eyes...
          1) Villanova
          2)
          3) Virginia
          4) Xavier/KU

      • They send you to closest site as “protected” seed in order of S curve. So if 2 teams already in Dallas, WSU has to go elsewhere.

        Also, protected only refers to first round matchup as committee can’t project winners.

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        • They pick to follow the rules when they benefit some teams, and stretch the rules to allow things to happen that shouldn't to accommodate.

          See also: WSU in NCAA tournament.

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          • Check out the WSU and Mich St. team sheets. They are right next to each other. The blue highlight means non-con. Look who WSU chose to play. Look who MSU chose to play.



            I'm not going to listen to all this SOS crap for 6 years and then sit and watch them give MSU a 1 or 2 seed for CHOOSING to play a schedule that WSU has been reamed for.

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            • Topshock
              Topshock commented
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              You are exactly right. Yes we are being considered for a better seed this year, but still being underseeded compared to other teams and it is ridiculous.

            • Jamar Howard 4 President
              Jamar Howard 4 President commented
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              Topshock, If WSU is projected as a 4 right now, how are they being under seeded? Who is way in front of them undeservedly in your eyes?

          • It is probably even more ridiculous how underseeded Houston is right now.

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            • Jamar Howard 4 President
              Jamar Howard 4 President commented
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              Houston is projected as a 6 on the matrix. Is this ridiculous?

            • Cdizzle
              Cdizzle commented
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              6 seems really fair for Houston's current resume. Maybe even a slot high.

            • Jamar Howard 4 President
              Jamar Howard 4 President commented
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              @Topshock... “several P5 teams”... who?

          • Originally posted by Cdizzle View Post
            Breaking this out of the comments above because, well, it's interesting. And very relevant.



            Funny you should ask, JH4P.

            Team A Reg Season:
            1-50 2-3
            51-100 5-0
            101-200 11-0
            201+ 8-0
            RPI: 15
            Avg. NonCon RPI: 178
            Projected Seed: 2



            Team B Reg Season:
            1-50 2-2
            51-100 8-1
            101-200 5-0
            201+ 11-0
            RPI: 11
            Avg. NonCon RPI: 130
            Projected Seed: Definitely not 2


            Team C Reg Season:
            1-50 2-3
            51-100 6-0
            101-200 13-1
            201+ 5-0
            RPI: 10
            Avg. NonCon RPI: 113
            Projected Seed: Definitely not 2


            Team D Reg Season:
            1-50 3-2
            51-100 7-1
            101-200 4-0
            201+ 13-0
            RPI: 11
            ​​​​​​​Avg. NonCon RPI: 156
            Projected Seed: Definitely not 2



            These were 3 of the first 4 other teams I thought of. You're right, this was an easy assignment.
            Team A: 2018 Michigan State
            Team B: 2015 Wichita State (7 seed)
            Team C: 2012 Wichita State (5 seed)
            Team D: 2015 Northern Iowa (5 seed)

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            • OregonShocker
              OregonShocker commented
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              Well you just ruined my appetite.

          • A couple of games tonight that could impact our seed. Per Bracket Matrix WSU is a 4 seed.
            Current Seed per Bracket Matrix
            (5) Rhode Island at La Salle
            (2) Michigan St hosting Illinois
            (5) Ohio St hosting Rutgers
            (4) West Virginia at Baylor
            (6) Texas A&M hosting Mississippi St
            (5) Kentucky at Arkansas

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            • Originally posted by Cdizzle View Post
              Team B Reg Season:
              1-50 2-2
              51-100 8-1
              101-200 5-0
              201+ 11-0
              RPI: 11
              Avg. NonCon RPI: 130
              Projected Seed: Definitely not 2
              Your numbers are wrong. Per NCAA team sheets from March 5th, 2015 (end of regular season, prior to Arch Madness), WSU was 2-2, 5-1, 8-0, 10-0. You seem to have mistakenly inflated some of their wins.

              https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi...4-15%20MBB.pdf

              Here’s the actual “end of regular season” numbers using the quadrant system.

              2018 MSU / 2015 WSU (excluding Arch Madness)
              Q1 3-3 1-2
              Q2 5-0 5-1
              Q3 10-0 10-0
              Q4 8-0 10-0

              2015 WSU’s regular season resume wasn’t as good as 2018 MSU’s current one. Period.

              Now, since you mentioned "WSU got screwed with a 7 seed", it is only fair to actually look at WSU's selection sunday resume.

              2018 MSU / 2015 WSU (with Arch Madness)
              Q1 3-3 1-2
              Q2 5-0 5-2
              Q3 10-0 10-0
              Q4 8-0 11-0

              I’m happy to agree that 2015 WSU deserved better than a 7, but that’s something different altogether. This is simply not a good example of equal resumes.

              Should I look at your other examples C and D, or do you need to check your numbers first?
              Last edited by Jamar Howard 4 President; February 20, 2018, 05:10 PM.

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              • Jamar Howard 4 President
                Jamar Howard 4 President commented
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                Also, KenPom
                MSU - 4
                WSU - 15

              • Cdizzle
                Cdizzle commented
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                You're leaving the bounds of the argument on a couple counts. I'll respond later when I'm at a PC. Didn't know they had the historical NCAA sheets from given weeks though, that's sweet.

              • Jamar Howard 4 President
                Jamar Howard 4 President commented
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                Interested to see you comments Cdizzle.

            • The 2018 Bracket Matrix
              Updated: 2/20/18 9:08 AM


              Bracketmatrix 12/1 1/1 1/15 1/20 1/30 2/7 2/20
              Seed 1 1 2 1
              Seed 2 10 8 19 12
              Seed 3 10 8 26 24 2 8
              Seed 4 2 13 18 20 8 4 68
              Seed 5 1 10 12 14 32 10 25
              Seed 6 4 2 12 42 20 3
              Seed 7 1 1 1 5 13 26
              Seed 8 1 6 21
              Seed 9 2 1 1 12
              Seed 10 5
              Seed 11 1 2
              Not Rated 1
              Totals 25 46 80 90 105 101 104
              Seed 1 4% 3% 1%
              Seed 2 40% 17% 24% 13%
              Seed 3 40% 17% 33% 27% 2% 8%
              Seed 4 8% 28% 23% 22% 8% 4% 65%
              Seed 5 4% 22% 15% 16% 30% 10% 24%
              Seed 6 9% 3% 13% 40% 20% 3%
              Seed 7 4% 2% 1% 6% 12% 26%
              Seed 8 1% 6% 21%
              Seed 9 4% 1% 1% 12%
              Seed 10 5%
              Seed 11 1% 2%
              Not Rated 1%
              Totals 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100%
              Overall 2-Seed 4-Seed 3-Seed 4-Seed 6-Seed 7-seed 4-seed
              Average 2.84 4.15 3.36 4.12 5.80 7.18 4.22

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              • I guess a #4 would be okay as long as the Chickenhawks are #1 in the same regional.

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                • Originally posted by WSUwatcher View Post
                  I guess a #4 would be okay as long as the Chickenhawks are #1 in the same regional.
                  If one were to check out phog.net you would see that they’re begging to play us because we’re “way down” this year. If the committee were to actually stick us in the same regional they would immediately change their tune and they’d be talking all about how the committee is involved in a conspiracy against Kansas.

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                  • WSUwatcher
                    WSUwatcher commented
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                    One of the many advantages of never looking at the phog, I guess...

                  • ShockingButTrue
                    ShockingButTrue commented
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                    We were "way down" in '15 too. No Cle.

                  • Dan
                    Dan commented
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                    Right, that was the year we were supposed to fall off the cliff after our NBA guy was gone

                • Originally posted by shocktheheart View Post
                  A couple of games tonight that could impact our seed. Per Bracket Matrix WSU is a 4 seed.
                  Current Seed per Bracket Matrix
                  (5) Rhode Island at La Salle
                  (2) Michigan St hosting Illinois
                  (5) Ohio St hosting Rutgers
                  (4) West Virginia at Baylor
                  (6) Texas A&M hosting Mississippi St
                  (5) Kentucky at Arkansas
                  Rhode Island won in OT
                  Michigan St won by 20
                  Ohio St won by 27
                  West Virginia won by 11
                  Texas A&M lost by 12
                  Kentucky won by 15



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                  • A lot of games tonight that could impact our seed. Per Bracket Matrix WSU is a 4 seed.
                    Current Seed per Bracket Matrix
                    (1) Xavier at Georgetown
                    (6) Michigan at Penn St
                    (3) UNC at Syracuse
                    (1) Virginia hosting Georgia Tech
                    (3) Clemson at Virginia Tech
                    (3) Texas Tech at Oklahoma St
                    (2) Auburn hosting Alabama
                    (1) Villanova hosting DePaul
                    (2) Duke hosting Louisville
                    (4) Tennessee hosting Florida

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                    • Cdizzle
                      Cdizzle commented
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                      Thanks for doing this.
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