2017-18 National Poll Rankings

[Shaqness]

I'm completely confused on how TCU can have the #16 RPI and WSU has #15 by a close margin. TCU played 1 worthwhile team. WSU put 3 Big12, and 1 ACC team in theirs.

[Shocker_Power]

I'm completely confused on how TCU can have the #16 RPI and WSU has #15 by a close margin. TCU played 1 worthwhile team. WSU put 3 Big12, and 1 ACC team in theirs.

Without looking at either team's opponents reords, wouldn't it depend on who those opponents have beaten or been defeated by since?

[im4wsu]

Without looking at either team's opponents reords, wouldn't it depend on who those opponents have beaten or been defeated by since?

If I'm not mistaken, RPI does not consider what opponents a team beats or succumbs to, only whether they win or lose and then also what the opponents of thise opponents do, win or lose. Quality of the opponent or opponent's opponents is superfluous.

[AndShock]

Correct.
1. Record
2. Opponent's record
3. Opponent's opponent's record.

RPI is a lot simpler than people give it credit for. That's probably why we've been stuck using such an outdated formula for about 10 years too long.

[Shocker_Power]

Quality of the opponent or opponent's opponents is superfluous.

While that may be the way polls operate, IMO that is what makes those polls fraudulent.

[im4wsu]

Agreed

[Dave Stalwart]

Yeah it makes no sense for a team to move up during a week where they lost at home. At BEST, you should stay the same, and that’s exactly what I think should happen. I also think OU’s slide to 10 is too much. I think there’s a decent argument they should still be in front of us.

[ShockTalk]

I'm completely confused on how TCU can have the #16 RPI and WSU has #15 by a close margin. TCU played 1 worthwhile team. WSU put 3 Big12, and 1 ACC team in theirs.

Sometimes, one needs to set aside a school's name or conference and look at who they actually beat and have accomplished. I believe this is something that we've been wanting outsiders to do for years when looking at WSU.

WSU's best win so far is Houston. Not Baylor, OSU, or Marquette. They are all 50-100 RPI range teams. Actually, SDSU is projected to be a better Top 100 win than OSU. Houston is top 50. Both losses are also top 50, but 1 was a team more our equal, the other is "below" us in the 25-50 range.

TCU has 2 losses. The same OU team we lost to. Their other loss is KU, another Top 20 team. Hate to say it, but, yes, better losses than ours by a little bit. They also won at Baylor, one of our best wins. Their other wins are 1 Top 25 (Nevada), 2 Top 50 ( SMU and St. Bonaventure), and 3 more Top 100 (all above our next best win against UConn, just outside the Top 100). They have 2 better wins than us.

So, WSU has played 7 Top 100 teams going 5-2, best win Houston (lower Top 50) and losing to a team ranked below them on a neutral court.

TCU has played 8 Top 100 teams going 6-2, best win is Nevada, a Top 25 (higher ranked than ND, one of our losses). Also, SMU is ranked above/same as ND.

There's not that much difference at this time.

[ShockTalk]

No, I'm using projected RPI.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

At Baylor, due to location, is most definitely better than home to Houston.

[ShockTalk]

Yes. However, for this discussion, that's somewhat negated because TCU won at Baylor as well.

On the other hand, one could say TCU has matched our best win and has 3 more better wins. Yes?

[ShockingButTrue]

I'm completely confused on how TCU can have the #16 RPI and WSU has #15 by a close margin. TCU played 1 worthwhile team. WSU put 3 Big12, and 1 ACC team in theirs.

In other words, it's about time to que the "Yeah, but we just don't know how good they really are." crowd, in about 5... 4... 3... 2...

[AndShock]

#1 is down by like a million to Ohio State.

[pogo]

must be a high scoring game.

[Cdizzle]

I'm guessing so many teams lost this week that everyone gets a mulligan. We better at least pick up some votes from the 10-11-12 group behind us that picked up 5 losses.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

I'm completely confused on how TCU can have the #16 RPI and WSU has #15 by a close margin. TCU played 1 worthwhile team. WSU put 3 Big12, and 1 ACC team in theirs.

Huh?!?!

Looking at RPI:
Nevada is top 25, and St. Bonaventure is top 50. TCU beat both on a neutral court.
SMU is top 75.
Picked up same win at Baylor that WSU did.
Both losses were to top 25 teams

[ShockerFever]

Huh?!?!

Looking at RPI:
Nevada is top 25, and St. Bonaventure is top 50. TCU beat both on a neutral court.
SMU is top 75.
Picked up same win at Baylor that WSU did.
Both losses were to top 25 teams

How's their road record?

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Also, off topic

[Cdizzle]

Cmon Jamar. That's pretty weak for you. 1-0 in a league game deserves to be called out as something other than "undefeated."

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

cdizzle, my answer of "undefeated" was meant to be as helpful and relevant as Fever's question to the discussion at hand. See my very next comment.

[Shaqness]

Huh?!?!

Looking at RPI:
Nevada is top 25, and St. Bonaventure is top 50. TCU beat both on a neutral court.
SMU is top 75.
Picked up same win at Baylor that WSU did.
Both losses were to top 25 teams

I was just looking at non-con and the name on the jerseys. Shame on me. Still tough to swallow these ranking systems. Maybe I got a bad look at TCU but they looked Bad on the court.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Lesson learned. Don't be like the media fools who only look at the name on the jerseys.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

KenPom has WSU 11, TCU 23, so seeing a midseason RPI saying 15 and 16 isn't bothersome to me at all.

[Stickboy46]

Seth Davis puts us at 10... Had us at 15 last week.

[Slykryck]

Parish had move us 2 spots to 9 from 11 on today’s top 25 and one. I’m curious to see where we land on the actual poll. I would say excited, but I’ve learned to temper my expectations. Some of the pollsters are ridiculous.

[AndShock]

I’m fine being behind OU (who we might actually jump.) All the other 2 loss teams I think we should be ahead of (and we will probably be behind 3-4 of them.)

[Slykryck]

I think OU will move up. While some voters will penalize them for the loss, they lost to a better team than most anyone else in the top 15 did. Duke , ASU and Xavier fall from top 5 replaced by WVU and UVA. Lots of spots open.