Canada Trip

[ShockingButTrue]

If not Zach, hopefully Rashard can become that glue guy every championship team needs.

For instance, how many games did Wessel lose in his ENTIRE career? No wonder GGG always refers to him as a champion. Baker too.

[ShockdaWorld]

Troll alert

[ShockingButTrue]

First of all, Zac is a good basketball player and he may get better but I'm not completely sold. If you watch his game, his ball handling has been suspect, when playing at top speed. Therefore, he is not consistent on the break, and he cannot attack the basket consistently and effectively in the half court. I was on board for last year to be his break out year to deal with his weaknesses but it didn't happen. But he isn't the only former starter with weaknesses. Kelly has his weaknesses too (although different than ZB). I have McDuffie's ceiling much higher than either ZB or RK because all he seems to need is strength. I think that this year will be his break out year. That is why I have him as a starter at one of the 3 or 4. ZB, and RK may also fight out minutes with Payton Allen (at the 3) and/or Willis or Hamilton (at the 4).

Senator Bradley revealed a key concept (principle) to success on the court as well as life: Peripheral Vision.

Some players have natural gifts that others don't...

[im4wsu]

I'd like to see Zach hit the glass a little harder and not defend with his hands as much as he should his feet.

That, and if he could cut down on turnovers, would be the thing that makes him a valuable role player. Maybe even at the level of an E. Wessel. He's not shown much beyond those traits.

Looking at those with superior per-40 numbers on rebounding, most are 4/5 position. The turnover rate is not ghastly, either.

	TRB/40
Anton Grady	10.6
Eric Hamilton	10.3
Shaquille Morris	9.3
Bush Wamukota	9.2
Rashard Kelly	9.0
Markis McDuffie	7.0
Rauno Nurger	6.4
Ron Baker	6.1
Landry Shamet	6.0
Zach Brown	6.0
	TO/40
Zach Bush	0.0
Conner Frankamp	0.4
Evan Wessel	0.7
Bush Wamukota	1.3
Rauno Nurger	1.5
Landry Shamet	1.5
Rashard Kelly	1.8
Shaquille Morris	1.9
Ron Baker	2.0
Markis McDuffie	2.1
Zach Brown	2.2

[ShockingButTrue]

Looking at those with superior per-40 numbers on rebounding, most are 4/5 position. The turnover rate is not ghastly, either.

	TRB/40
Anton Grady	10.6
Eric Hamilton	10.3
Shaquille Morris	9.3
Bush Wamukota	9.2
Rashard Kelly	9.0
Markis McDuffie	7.0
Rauno Nurger	6.4
Ron Baker	6.1
Landry Shamet	6.0
Zach Brown	6.0
	TO/40
Zach Bush	0.0
Conner Frankamp	0.4
Evan Wessel	0.7
Bush Wamukota	1.3
Rauno Nurger	1.5
Landry Shamet	1.5
Rashard Kelly	1.8
Shaquille Morris	1.9
Ron Baker	2.0
Markis McDuffie	2.1
Zach Brown	2.2

This chart reveals that if Bush W. would have played at least 20-25 minutes we would have steamrolled Miami :very_drunk:

Was this a kenpom effort?

[Cdizzle]

This chart reveals that if Bush W. would have played at least 20-25 minutes we would have steamrolled Miami :very_drunk:

Was this a kenpom effort?

Or that Wamukota played most of his minutes with Ty Taylor, allowing for the highest Offensive Rebound Opportunity per Minute in the nation.

[Rally Doug]

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I recommend calling her (very helpful person) and doing your ticket transaction over the phone.

[ShockingButTrue]

Or that Wamukota played most of his minutes with Ty Taylor, allowing for the highest Offensive Rebound Opportunity per Minute in the nation.

For sure... :highly_amused:

In that same span (Orlando), the one that some would say contributed to our play-in status (of course it wasn't the loss to lowly N. Iowa), when we needed them the most, what did Z. Brown & R. Kelley do (it's just a rhetorical)? Check the real-time stats.

I'm a Shocker fan. I hope one of either of them can step up this season and add to our success, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Kel Varnsen]

Zach Brown is already a more valuable player than Evan Wessel. Same goes for McDuffie and Kelly.

Blocks per 100 possessions:
Zach Brown 1.2
Markis McDuffie 0.7
Rashard Kelly 0.6
Evan Wessel 0.2

Steals per 100 possessions:
Markis McDuffie 2.6
Zach Brown 2.4
Rashard Kelly 1.8
Evan Wessel 1.4

Defensive Rating (estimate of points allowed per 100 possessions):
Markis McDuffie 89.6
Rashard Kelly 90.2
Zach Brown 90.3
Evan Wessel 94.7

3P%:
Rashard Kelly 31.6%
Markis McDuffie 31.5%
Zach Brown 30.6%
Evan Wessel 26.7% (He took 105 three pointers this last year...105!!!)

Usage%:
Markis McDuffie 22.4%
Zach Brown 18.4%
Rashard Kelly 15.9%
Evan Wessel 10.7%

Points scored/generated per 100 possessions:
Zach Brown 114.1
Markis McDuffie 106.5
Evan Wessel 104.7
Rashard Kelly 104.3

Total Rebound %:
Rashard Kelly 12.9%
Markis McDuffie 10.1%
Zach Brown 8.7%
Evan Wessel 8.3%

All stats per http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...tate/2016.html.

Now, I am the first to say that statistics like these typically need a healthy amount of context. But given that these four players played the 3/4 most of last year, I think it's fairly obvious (both quantitatively and qualitatively) that our replacement(s) for Evan Wessel will be an upgrade.

[Kel Varnsen]

Zach Brown and Rashard Kelly have the ability to be dynamic role players with low usage rates, more so than Wessel. Think a Harrison Barnes/Marreese Speights type. They would not enjoy the same returns to scale with increased usage (decreased efficiency).

McDuffie has the potential to be an All-American.

[AZ Shocker]

Good data Kel - the only other stat that perhaps isn't shown is the "extra-possession" stat. Evan was a master at that. If I had to guess...I bet he gave us 3-5 "extra possessions" per game. Heck maybe even a few more.

[Kel Varnsen]

Good data Kel - the only other stat that perhaps isn't shown is the "extra-possession" stat. Evan was a master at that. If I had to guess...I bet he gave us 3-5 "extra possessions" per game. Heck maybe even a few more.

Fair point. My argument is typically that those "extra possessions" do show up in the box score somehow, whether it's rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, or otherwise. The instances that fall out of the scope of these other statistics would be minimal in comparison to the entire sample.

To go even deeper than that, you'd need SportVU cameras (every NBA team has them in their arena). They track player movement 30 times per second and provide millions of data points to analyze.

[AZ Shocker]

Fair point. My argument is typically that those "extra possessions" do show up in the box score somehow, whether it's rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, or otherwise. The instances that fall out of the scope of these other statistics would be minimal in comparison to the entire sample.

To go even deeper than that, you'd need SportVU cameras (every NBA team has them in their arena). They track player movement 30 times per second and provide millions of data points to analyze.

Interesting about the NBA cameras. Wasn't aware of that. Kinda cool. Makes me wonder if Coach Marshall has a slew of other stats he uses. It would be cool to see his spreadsheet. I'm guessing the data points he also encompasses are tipped-balls, hard traps that force a turnover, loose balls that end up in the hands of one of our guys, etc. Having said that however...I'll miss Evan's hustle and floor burns...but man...I can't wait to see who emerges and adds to another "offensive" threat as well.

[ShockerFever]

Zach Brown is already a more valuable player than Evan Wessel. Same goes for McDuffie and Kelly.

Blocks per 100 possessions:
Zach Brown 1.2
Markis McDuffie 0.7
Rashard Kelly 0.6
Evan Wessel 0.2

Steals per 100 possessions:
Markis McDuffie 2.6
Zach Brown 2.4
Rashard Kelly 1.8
Evan Wessel 1.4

Defensive Rating (estimate of points allowed per 100 possessions):
Markis McDuffie 89.6
Rashard Kelly 90.2
Zach Brown 90.3
Evan Wessel 94.7

3P%:
Rashard Kelly 31.6%
Markis McDuffie 31.5%
Zach Brown 30.6%
Evan Wessel 26.7% (He took 105 three pointers this last year...105!!!)

Usage%:
Markis McDuffie 22.4%
Zach Brown 18.4%
Rashard Kelly 15.9%
Evan Wessel 10.7%

Points scored/generated per 100 possessions:
Zach Brown 114.1
Markis McDuffie 106.5
Evan Wessel 104.7
Rashard Kelly 104.3

Total Rebound %:
Rashard Kelly 12.9%
Markis McDuffie 10.1%
Zach Brown 8.7%
Evan Wessel 8.3%

All stats per http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...tate/2016.html.

Now, I am the first to say that statistics like these typically need a healthy amount of context. But given that these four players played the 3/4 most of last year, I think it's fairly obvious (both quantitatively and qualitatively) that our replacement(s) for Evan Wessel will be an upgrade.

You should pass on your mass of statistics to Gregg Marshall for further comment.

[ShockingButTrue]

You should pass on your mass of statistics to Gregg Marshall for further comment.

EXACTLY! I was wondering when anyone was going to suggest it. Thank you.