NCAA Tourney Talk

[Indy23]

Give any non-BCS team Kentucky's 18-12 record and 57 RPI and no way any of them get in.

Give any BCS team Illinois State's 24-9 record and 33 RPI and all of them get in.

Exactly. And that's where the problem is.

Nope. Kentucky was 12-4 in the SEC with wins against Tennessee and Vanderbilt. It's not like they were a four seed. They're an 11. Sorry but the third-place team in the SEC is going to get in the Tournament.

Illinois State got smoked by 30 in the conference final. I think that hurt them quite a bit (maybe unfairly).

You could make a case that some BCS teams, like Virginia Tech and Arizona State, got screwed just as much as Illinois State. Clearly the Georgias and San Diegos of the world took some at-large bids away from teams with better profiles.

[newshock1234]

i agree with you guys, Ill state got screwed. Anybody else excited tho about a potiental 2nd round match up between Winthrop and George Mason.

[SubGod22]

I'm tired of hearing Hubert say they know because they watch all the games. I highly doubt that they've seen many games that don't involve the BcS teams. The assumptions they make are making me sick

[WuDrWu]

The guy on ESPN just made the point that hurts the worst.


"You just can't look at the numbers, you have to give it the eye test".



Goodbye us. More bcs.

[7hottamales]

Give any non-BCS team Kentucky's 18-12 record and 57 RPI and no way any of them get in.

Give any BCS team Illinois State's 24-9 record and 33 RPI and all of them get in.

Has a team ever gotten an at large bid without beating another team in the field?

That's what we are asking the committee to do with Illinois State.

[newshock1234]

Give any non-BCS team Kentucky's 18-12 record and 57 RPI and no way any of them get in.

Give any BCS team Illinois State's 24-9 record and 33 RPI and all of them get in.

Exactly. And that's where the problem is.

Nope. Kentucky was 12-4 in the SEC with wins against Tennessee and Vanderbilt. It's not like they were a four seed. They're an 11. Sorry but the third-place team in the SEC is going to get in the Tournament.

Illinois State got smoked by 30 in the conference final. I think that hurt them quite a bit (maybe unfairly).

You could make a case that some BCS teams, like Virginia Tech and Arizona State, got screwed just as much as Illinois State. Clearly the Georgias and San Diegos of the world took some at-large bids away from teams with better profiles.

how did Arizona state get screwed, their RPI was 83, and their non conference SOS was 296, they didnt make it and they certainly dont deserve to make it. How does the number 8 conference in the nation only get one team in.

[7hottamales]

Perhaps it's time to start a boycott of all TV sponsors until the process is improved

Have fun with that.

[SubGod22]

Not that it matters but I have very little interest in watching many of the games. Nothing like watching a bunch of bad to mediocre BcS conference teams get predictably beat.

[WuDrWu]

I actually don't have a huge problem with ISU.....their resume was really lacking.


I do have a problem with Arizona, Baylor, especially Oregon and Kentucky is an out and out joke.


Didn't ISU sweep SIU who POUNDED Mississppi State who finished ahead of Kentucky?

Didn't Wichita State beat UAB right after UAB beat Kentucky AT KENTUCKY?


Perhaps the Valley is a bit stronger than these geniuses think......




Whoops...I forgot......I can't look at the facts....I have to give it the "eye test"........


OH NOW I SEE IT!!!!!

$$$$$$KENTUCKY$$$$OREGON$$$BCS$$$$$

[ShockRef]

Give any non-BCS team Kentucky's 18-12 record and 57 RPI and no way any of them get in.

Give any BCS team Illinois State's 24-9 record and 33 RPI and all of them get in.

Exactly. And that's where the problem is.

Nope. Kentucky was 12-4 in the SEC with wins against Tennessee and Vanderbilt. It's not like they were a four seed. They're an 11. Sorry but the third-place team in the SEC is going to get in the Tournament.

Illinois State got smoked by 30 in the conference final. I think that hurt them quite a bit (maybe unfairly).

You could make a case that some BCS teams, like Virginia Tech and Arizona State, got screwed just as much as Illinois State. Clearly the Georgias and San Diegos of the world took some at-large bids away from teams with better profiles.

San Diego received the automatic bid for the WCC. Gonzaga got the at-large from the league.
Before you post, know the facts. 8)

[newshock1234]

sad thing is Oregon against the top 100 is 8-11 and the redbirds ended at 5-5. This bugs the crap out of me how you can take a team that is 18-13 as at large berth

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

Give any non-BCS team Kentucky's 18-12 record and 57 RPI and no way any of them get in.

Give any BCS team Illinois State's 24-9 record and 33 RPI and all of them get in.

Exactly. And that's where the problem is.

Nope. Kentucky was 12-4 in the SEC with wins against Tennessee and Vanderbilt. It's not like they were a four seed. They're an 11. Sorry but the third-place team in the SEC is going to get in the Tournament.

Illinois State got smoked by 30 in the conference final. I think that hurt them quite a bit (maybe unfairly).

You could make a case that some BCS teams, like Virginia Tech and Arizona State, got screwed just as much as Illinois State. Clearly the Georgias and San Diegos of the world took some at-large bids away from teams with better profiles.

how did Arizona state get screwed, their RPI was 83, and their non conference SOS was 296, they didnt make it and they certainly dont deserve to make it. How does the number 8 conference in the nation only get one team in.

Arizona State was screwed because the teams directly under them in the standing got in yet they didnt. I dont really care though but thats a reason for ya.

However Kentucky should not be in. If you take out thier conference record they are a sub .500 team. Many people on other boards that I got to are saying they got in Only because they were 3rd place in the SEC.

If that doesnt constitute HOW EFFING WEAK A CONFERENCE THAT IS then I dont know what to tell you. People are pissed because Ole Miss didnt get in. But you cant even get to .500 in a WEAK ASS conference like the SEC why do you think you should be in the tourney.

All in all theres BS like this every year. As long as the tourney doesnt end up like that peice of crap that we had to watch last year ill be good.

[Shoxfan11]

Give any non-BCS team Kentucky's 18-12 record and 57 RPI and no way any of them get in.

Give any BCS team Illinois State's 24-9 record and 33 RPI and all of them get in.

Exactly. And that's where the problem is.

Nope. Kentucky was 12-4 in the SEC with wins against Tennessee and Vanderbilt. It's not like they were a four seed. They're an 11. Sorry but the third-place team in the SEC is going to get in the Tournament.

Illinois State got smoked by 30 in the conference final. I think that hurt them quite a bit (maybe unfairly).

You could make a case that some BCS teams, like Virginia Tech and Arizona State, got screwed just as much as Illinois State. Clearly the Georgias and San Diegos of the world took some at-large bids away from teams with better profiles.

San Diego received the automatic bid for the WCC. Gonzaga got the at-large from the league.
Before you post, know the facts. 8)

I think he's just saying that San Diego took an at-large bid away by winning their conference tourney, since they wouldn't have made it in any other way.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

Give any non-BCS team Kentucky's 18-12 record and 57 RPI and no way any of them get in.

Give any BCS team Illinois State's 24-9 record and 33 RPI and all of them get in.

Exactly. And that's where the problem is.

Nope. Kentucky was 12-4 in the SEC with wins against Tennessee and Vanderbilt. It's not like they were a four seed. They're an 11. Sorry but the third-place team in the SEC is going to get in the Tournament.

Illinois State got smoked by 30 in the conference final. I think that hurt them quite a bit (maybe unfairly).

You could make a case that some BCS teams, like Virginia Tech and Arizona State, got screwed just as much as Illinois State. Clearly the Georgias and San Diegos of the world took some at-large bids away from teams with better profiles.

San Diego received the automatic bid for the WCC. Gonzaga got the at-large from the league.
Before you post, know the facts. 8)

The fact is San Diego took the auto bid in the WCC. They would not have been a tourney team if they didnt win the WCC Tourney. So the fact is they took a bid from somebody. Same with Georgia

[Indy23]

Give any non-BCS team Kentucky's 18-12 record and 57 RPI and no way any of them get in.

Give any BCS team Illinois State's 24-9 record and 33 RPI and all of them get in.

Exactly. And that's where the problem is.

Nope. Kentucky was 12-4 in the SEC with wins against Tennessee and Vanderbilt. It's not like they were a four seed. They're an 11. Sorry but the third-place team in the SEC is going to get in the Tournament.

Illinois State got smoked by 30 in the conference final. I think that hurt them quite a bit (maybe unfairly).

You could make a case that some BCS teams, like Virginia Tech and Arizona State, got screwed just as much as Illinois State. Clearly the Georgias and San Diegos of the world took some at-large bids away from teams with better profiles.

how did Arizona state get screwed, their RPI was 83, and their non conference SOS was 296, they didnt make it and they certainly dont deserve to make it. How does the number 8 conference in the nation only get one team in.

ASU had wins against NCAA teams Coppin State, Arizona (twice), Stanford, USC, Oregon, and Xavier. They didn't play anyone in non-con play, hence their low RPI and SOS, but their wins were solid, and they had a winning record in a good conference.

I'm not saying they should have been in, but you could make a case that they had a good argument. The NIT is a good place for them to be.