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#15 Wichita State @ Illinois State Official Game Thread

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  • calfan
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    BENCH STRENGTH
    Illinois State's reserves outscored the Shockers' 23-6. Kyle McIntosh had nine points off the bench and John Jones had eight for the Redbirds.

    Illinois State bench better than WSU bench 6-12.

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  • WstateU
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    Look-a-likes

    Is that you Reggie?

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  • jocoshock
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    Originally posted by 1979Shocker View Post
    I'm sure there's a minimum number of games you have to have played in because otherwise, there are players on the Shockers team that haven't lost any games they've played in over the last couple of seasons.
    Most of these comparisons are lookin juniors and seniors..

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  • WuDrWu
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    Originally posted by 1979Shocker View Post
    I'm sure there's a minimum number of games you have to have played in because otherwise, there are players on the Shockers team that haven't lost any games they've played in over the last couple of seasons.
    I wonder what that minimum is because if the stats are correct on goshockers.com, J.R. Simon is 36-0 in games he's played in. I realize that says more about kids like Wessel, Baker, Cotton and VanVleet but still.....

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  • WSUwatcher
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    Originally posted by wusphlash View Post
    Extremely short bench tonight. Sign of our March rotation or just circumstance?
    Keep in mind that the bench has been shortened by Zach Brown's injury. He's averaging over 10 minutes / game in the 19 games he's played, and he's been getting better and more productive as the season goes along. With his size, skills, and athletic ability, if he had been healthy he could reasonably have been expected to contribute 10-15 minutes of useful play, including some scoring, at SG / SF. That workload fell on Cotton, Wessel, and Baker instead, and it was very timely that Wessel had arguably his best game of the year to pick up the slack.

    Brown still has two weeks to recover before the UNIs invade Wichita, so maybe he can come back and be this year's late season and postseason secret weapon. Meanwhile, wouldn't it be great if Wessel can replicate this game? He played this way a couple of years ago before the finger injury, so we know he can do it, and what a terrific asset he'd be if he can keep it going the rest of the year.

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  • Blackmag
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    Great defense, and the rebounding effort was just through the roof. Cotton was boarding like he was 6'10. Evan hit a few threes and if he could do that on a consistent basis that would be huge going down the stretch. I liked the defense from Morris and Kelly. The one concern I do have is point production off the bench, only 6 points compared to ISU's 23. We've seen Morris and Kelly give us production on occasion but really as far as points from any guards coming off the bench that has really been non-exsistent. Im hoping we can get Zach Brown back soon and get him back in the flow before NIU and the post season. He seems to have the best chance to contribute right now. This game was the one road game remaining that gave me the most concern and our leaders came threw even though we didnt shoot well....the 28th will be here before we know it...

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  • 1979Shocker
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    Originally posted by jocoshock View Post
    Yes. Highest win % of any player in D1 in the last 15 years..
    I'm sure there's a minimum number of games you have to have played in because otherwise, there are players on the Shockers team that haven't lost any games they've played in over the last couple of seasons.

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  • kcshocker11
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    Excellent road win. We stayed in control most of the time and played good basketball. The only exception were some sloppy turnovers

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  • Jamar Howard 4 President
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    Thanks ShockRef. That is interesting stuff to me as a fan who has played and watched plenty of basketball but has never referreed before.

    I complain about refs sometimes, but generally respect what they do and the quick reaction times they are forced into. It's a tough job and I respect the skills and am intrigued by the procedures that are followed.

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  • ShockRef
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    Originally posted by newshock1234 View Post
    Honestly i have officiated before but not to the level of you im sure. So correct me if im wrong but dont every official have their own area they watch and isn't it forbidden to make a call out of their area?
    Actually, that is a very fair question.

    Yes, we do have our primaries, but we also referee the 'fringe' of an adjacent, especially if the primary gets stacked or straight lined.
    In the particular play yesterday, the trail was the primary of the competitive match up. However, the same match up was on the fringe of the leads area too. The particular foul occurred to the inside of the trail official and he certainly did not have a good view. The lead picked it up and made the call on what was an obvious foul.

    We are also aware of who has made the most recent foul calls.
    For example, if I have made 3 straight calls and reported, we will glance at each other and signal. When the next foul occurs and is on or even close to fringe of our primary, the other official will take, so to 'balance the floor." I can assure you if one official makes too many calls in a row, he will hear about it from the offended coach. It's all part of the game within the game.

    Hope this helps!

    That is all.

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  • Dave Stalwart
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    Originally posted by im4wsu View Post
    Great quote from the article:
    41 consecutive turnovers sounds delicious :)

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  • Ricardo del Rio
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    Cubs: Tinker to Evers to Chance

    Shockers: Cotton to VanVleet to Wessel

    I loved that play. I will not forget it for a long time. Every aspect of it was excellence.

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  • im4wsu
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    Originally posted by 1972Shocker View Post
    Articles from Fred's home town newspaper after the Illinois State game:

    http://www.rrstar.com/article/201502...2/10454/SPORTS
    Great quote from the article:
    Van Vleet, figuratively, keeps climbing higher. He could make 41 consecutive turnovers and still have the best assist-to-turnover ratio in school history

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  • 1972Shocker
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    Articles from Fred's home town newspaper after the Illinois State game:

    http://www.rrstar.com/article/201502...2/10454/SPORTS

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  • newshock1234
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    Originally posted by ShockRef View Post
    I could try to explain it to you, but 10 minutes later you would continue to argue with me.

    That is all.
    Honestly i have officiated before but not to the level of you im sure. So correct me if im wrong but dont every official have their own area they watch and isn't it forbidden to make a call out of their area?

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