Cleanthony Early to the New York Knicks

[ShockerPhi]

You know who I blame for robbing and shooting Cle? The guy who robbed and shot Cle.

Would it have helped if Cle was not out late at night? Sure. But let's not be pissed at Cle. Let's be pissed at the lowlife scum that did this to him and do it to other people.

[Kung Wu]

Cle hung out with strippers until 3 AM and got shot in the process.

Hey, that's a low blow -- leave your mom and sister out of this!

Aww, come on! You're supposed to fire back an overly sarcastic but humorous and witty response here! :)

[BOBB]

Well, let's see, I disagree with the inclusion of your first sentence which describes a former Creighton player as an example of what you believe may have become of Cle, with no evidence in support. Your second sentence, that presumes that Cle needs different guidance or more guidance, or whatever, and that he may be sabotaging his career, and your sentence three wherein you express in full colors that CLE seems to be in the latter group. Finally, your sentence four where you profess to care where he hooks up and then you imply again that he has no direction. So, there you have it; the answer to your question, I disagree with all of your post; the substance, contents, implication and presumption of each and every statement; todo; 100%; ALL.

Thanks for the permission to drink a beer which I will do, although it is not "another beer" because I have not had one tonight.

You suck at reading comprehension. I contrasted him to "P" not compared.

[Walker]

I don't think anybody on this board thinks he's a bad person for leaving this team in Athens because of this situation. It just seems like he made a knee-jerk reaction that he may look back on and wished he had handled it differently.

150k is a lot of cheese to let slip away, especially when it involves a profession you love. I think Cle is worth more than that salary, and it would behoove the team to help with his nutritional needs, but I think at the same time, a person needs to keep two feet on the ground with realistic expectations. Europe is by no means third-world, but they don't have every single convenience on every corner like we do in the states, and highly specialized diet which he is doing, complicates matters even more.

Just wish for his own sake he would have slowed down, and gave it some time for things to develop and a system be put in place to meet his needs. Don't think he's at all bad, I just think it's youth.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

You know who I blame for robbing and shooting Cle? The guy who robbed and shot Cle.

Would it have helped if Cle was not out late at night? Sure. But let's not be pissed at Cle. Let's be pissed at the lowlife scum that did this to him and do it to other people.

This.

The reason Cle was shot and robbed wasn't because he was "hanging out with strippers until 3 am." He was shot because some punk set him up. Give the kid a break and stop assuming he lacks judgment because he got caught in a really bad situation.

[Aargh]

I'm not confident Cle will be able to find the management of any Euro team that is both willing and able to locate vegan venues in every town they are scheduled to play in. It seems like his recent management confused or possibly the venues confused vegan with vegetarian.

$150K seems awfully low for an early second round pick who (apparently) just missed making an NBA roster. It's possible that not many Euro teams wanted to sign a contract where they committed to providing a vegan diet.

I hope Cle has a Plan B and a degree.

[Dan]

a person needs to keep two feet on the ground with realistic expectations. Europe is by no means third-world, but they don't have every single convenience on every corner like we do in the states, and highly specialized diet which he is doing, complicates matters even more.

Yes. The things people love about Europe are also the things people hate about Europe. You should never go over there an expect to get American level treatment, housing, or services, it's just how it is, and I don't think it's isolated to Greece. If Cle wants to be vegan, he needs to figure out how to keep his apartment stocked and learn how to cook, because it's not going to be easy, especially in Europe.

[ShockTalk]

This.

The reason Cle was shot and robbed wasn't because he was "hanging out with strippers until 3 am." He was shot because some punk set him up. Give the kid a break and stop assuming he lacks judgment because he got caught in a really bad situation.

Just so I understand, you're saying this had no impact, whatsoever, on some punk setting him up? That the time, place, people, and bling he was wearing, none of these, added to the likelihood of this happening?

[ShockAzs]

At any rate, what's done is done. Cle was a young man living in the City that Never Sleeps. Most are drawn to the night life and promise of beautiful young women. Let's hope he learned from his situation, and that's that.

Some people get robbed at home in their beds, should they have done something different?

Fact is, it can happen anywhere, any time.

I'm hoping, as a shocker that brought us to new heights and glory, he find his happy place. I hoped he keeps in contact with 3G too. I'm sure he'll always be available for advice.

[shoxrox89]

At any rate, what's done is done. Cle was a young man living in the City that Never Sleeps. Most are drawn to the night life and promise of beautiful young women. Let's hope he learned from his situation, and that's that.

Some people get robbed at home in their beds, should they have done something different?

Fact is, it can happen anywhere, any time.

I'm hoping, as a shocker that brought us to new heights and glory, he find his happy place. I hoped he keeps in contact with 3G too. I'm sure he'll always be available for advice.

I agree all this victim bashing going on is just distasteful.

[Walker]

I'm not bashing Cle or anything, and I don't think anybody else really is either. They just hope he slows down a bit and thinks things through for his benefit.

If I were his close friend or mentor, I'd give him the Rick Grimes treatment and speech and it would go a little something like this:

You're young, full of piss and vinegar. You wanna sneak out outside camp with your one eyeball, listen to emo music and take selfies with your girlfriend. I get it Korl (that's how Rick says Karl). I really do. And you think you can do all of this better with a vegan diet. But Korl...the reality of it is, Negan just smashed Glen's head with Lucille. The Saviors have set up blockades on every highway within a 50 mile radius, and we're up to our ass in walkers. So until we live in that world where you can take your hover board to Whole Foods and load up on vegan cuisine, eat the ******* Doritos and Slim Jims we found in the abandoned wharehouse outside Alexandria.

As for the strip club incident, again, I don't think people are really victim blaming. Of course the POS that robbed and shot Cle is bad one in the equation, but at the same time, fans who admire Cle, who wish for his safety and benefit, hope he he goes to clubs in better neighborhoods and come in earlier. Could it have happened anywhere at anytime? Of course. But a club in bad neighborhood at 2 in the morning drastically increase the chances of something bad happening. Don't want it to be that way, but it's just reality. If it weren't, there would be a Panera on the corner of 13th and Grove that was open 24/7.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

Just so I understand, you're saying this had no impact, whatsoever, on some punk setting him up? That the time, place, people, and bling he was wearing, none of these, added to the likelihood of this happening?

How much is a woman who wears a tight dress to blame for being raped? Would she be blameless if she had worn something less revealing?

How about the person who parks their BMW in a public parking spot downtown and has it stolen? How much do we blame him for failing to either park it in a secured area or drive a less valuable vehicle?

I got into an accident a few years ago during evening rush hour--I was rear ended by a drunk driver. The risk of accidents rise dramatically during rush hour. I should have known better than to drive at that time, right? Clearly I exercised poor judgment, so is the drunk driver just as guilty as I am for the accident?

Seriously, where do we draw the line? I'm all for personal responsibility, but when bad things happen to good people the last thing we need to do is blame the victim.

[WstateU]

At any rate, what's done is done. Cle was a young man living in the City that Never Sleeps. Most are drawn to the night life and promise of beautiful young women. Let's hope he learned from his situation, and that's that.

Some people get robbed at home in their beds, should they have done something different?

Fact is, it can happen anywhere, any time.

I'm hoping, as a shocker that brought us to new heights and glory, he find his happy place. I hoped he keeps in contact with 3G too. I'm sure he'll always be available for advice.

After reading this thread, I might need to find my "happy place"…

[SHOCKvalue]

How much is a woman who wears a tight dress to blame for being raped? Would she be blameless if she had worn something less revealing?

How about the person who parks their BMW in a public parking spot downtown and has it stolen? How much do we blame him for failing to either park it in a secured area or drive a less valuable vehicle?

I got into an accident a few years ago during evening rush hour--I was rear ended by a drunk driver. The risk of accidents rise dramatically during rush hour. I should have known better than to drive at that time, right? Clearly I exercised poor judgment, so is the drunk driver just as guilty as I am for the accident?

Seriously, where do we draw the line? I'm all for personal responsibility, but when bad things happen to good people the last thing we need to do is blame the victim.

There's an entire educational and professional career path centered around the idea of choices and the risk associated with them - actuary. It's cold-blooded mathematical science.

Accidents happen. Being out and about in the middle of the night, with a hooker, doing a strip club tour isn't just everyday risk; it is several avoidable risks, compounded.

[ArtVandalay]

Chiefs fan puts on his favorite red jersey, walks into the Oakland Coliseum for the game, attempts to start the Tomahawk Chop after the first KC touchdown to take the lead, never shuts up again, gets jumped in the bathroom. His fault? No. Anyone surprised? No.