To me the simple thing would have been for Boatright to have handled the situation when it happened, not five years later.
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Originally posted by WuDrWu View PostIt's not bad, but putting Harry Miller ahead of Eddie Fogler is criminal.
Remember the Vanilla Gorilla's that fogler did recruit? They didn't stand a chance in the Valley. And just who did recruit Gwaltney (maybe eddie gets a pass there)? But that shooting guard from Pennsylvania who was converted to the point was a fair player eh? Now that was criminal.
Cohen was left holding the bag, and WSU's reputation was returned to good standing. Thanks for the memories eddie...
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Originally posted by pogo View Post
It would be tough for me to have either one on a top five. EF won with GS players and then bolted to Vanderbilt when his players could not compete at the same level. He bolted to South Carolina after the same trajectory at Vanderbilt. I always found it curious one reason he used to leave here was that Vanderbilt was such a distinguished academic university he felt he could not turn it down. Then several years later left for that academic powerhouse that is South Carolina.
Zero discussion on the best coach. ZERO.
At least at WSU, 2-3-4 are debatable. Ralph would be the clear favorite for 2. 3 and 4 are tougher. It's hard to see anyone then above Eddie. IB is in the next group, although who really cares at that point?
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I think the Iowa 81 games HAS to be opn the list for two reasons:
-without that win, there IS no Battle Of New Orleans win
-i managed to sit in the wrong section for an entire half and wondered why my games partner would miss such an epic game....
and, oh, yeah...loudest arena ever that day...
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Originally posted by ShockingButTrue View Post
Remember when fogler brought in Radunavich, Steve Grayer and J. Griffin? Me neither...
Remember the Vanilla Gorilla's that fogler did recruit? They didn't stand a chance in the Valley. And just who did recruit Gwaltney (maybe eddie gets a pass there)? But that shooting guard from Pennsylvania who was converted to the point was a fair player eh? Now that was criminal.
Cohen was left holding the bag, and WSU's reputation was returned to good standing. Thanks for the memories eddie...
Wait, are you dissing Paul Guffrovich from Nanticoke, PA?
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Originally posted by ShockingButTrue View Post
Remember when fogler brought in Radunavich, Steve Grayer and J. Griffin? Me neither...
Cohen was left holding the bag, and WSU's reputation was returned to good standing. Thanks for the memories eddie...
Joe Griffin was a freshman Eddie's first season. Maybe Gene signed him, I don't know, but he was only coached by Eddie. And Joe was a handful. I assume Gene probably did recruit him based on that alone.
I get people don't like that Eddie left. But doesn't that say something? I also get that people didn't like his coaching style. They are wrong, but I do get it. His support of Mike Cohen to replace him was awful, no doubt about it. But that's how he was taught. NO ONE thinks Eddie is a better coach than Roy Williams. NO ONE. But Eddie had seniority at Carolina and was in line for a head coaching position first. Dean had great assistants. Eddie didn't, but he thought the same way.
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Originally posted by molly jabali View PostI think the Iowa 81 games HAS to be opn the list for two reasons:
-without that win, there IS no Battle Of New Orleans win
-i managed to sit in the wrong section for an entire half and wondered why my games partner would miss such an epic game....
and, oh, yeah...loudest arena ever that day...
Seriously though, good point. That was as close to the floor (I think I was around row 13 for Iowa, not my season tickets) as I ever sat until I started sitting on the floor in the early 90s. And it was more packed than any game I've attended at WSU and insanely loud. The roar that started around the 17 minute mark of the second half and never let up until the final buzzer was crazy. There have been few games to rival that for noise, the oft referenced 2004 SIU game being the most likely.
The down 23 timeout when Turg started chewing ass on the bench is one of my favorite memories, because of both the crowd reaction and subsequent team response (14-4 run to end the half, 15-0 run to start the 2nd half to take the first lead after trailing 11-0 to start the game).
PS Without going into details, did you get my text over the weekend regarding the person you were supposed to be sitting with at the Iowa game?Last edited by WuDrWu; 4 weeks ago.
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Q: Who is the greatest sportswriter at the Wichita Eagle and how would you rank their contributions, in order, top to bottom?
A: Ranking the contributions of sports writers can be subjective and depends on various factors such as the depth of coverage, impact on the community, and personal style. However, based on their roles and recognition, here’s a general ranking:
1. Taylor Eldridge: Known for his comprehensive and detailed coverage of Wichita State athletics, Taylor has become a key figure in sports journalism at the Wichita Eagle. His in-depth reporting and analysis have made him a favorite among readers interested in Wichita State sports.
2. Kirk Seminoff: As the sports editor, Kirk has played a crucial role in shaping the sports section of the Wichita Eagle. His ability to balance reporting and editorial duties has significantly contributed to the quality and breadth of sports coverage.
3. Paul Suellentrop: Paul has provided valuable insights and perspectives on Wichita State’s athletics, contributing to the overall sports narrative at the Wichita Eagle. His work has been appreciated for its depth and understanding of the sports community.
Each of these writers has made unique and significant contributions to sports journalism at the Wichita Eagle. Their work collectively enhances the sports coverage and keeps the community informed and engaged.
Do you have a favorite article or piece by any of these writers?
Underview: This is likely to tick someone off who had a 42-year career at the Wichita Eagle & Beacon.
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Originally posted by molly jabali View PostI think the Iowa 81 games HAS to be opn the list for two reasons:
-without that win, there IS no Battle Of New Orleans win
-i managed to sit in the wrong section for an entire half and wondered why my games partner would miss such an epic game....
and, oh, yeah...loudest arena ever that day...
During halftimes and between games I would be in the press copy room in case anything went wrong while they cranked out press releases and stats for distribution . But during games I could sit anywhere that I could find a spot. This Iowa game was so crowded that I mostly stood near the tunnel or set on the steps in an aisle. But that game is definitely one of my favorites and loudest of all time. Behind that game would have to be a couple of Tulsa games and a drake game.
Those were the days.
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Originally posted by WuShock Reaper View PostQ: Who were the absolute best players at Wichita State?
A: Here are the absolute best players in Wichita State men’s basketball history:
1. Xavier McDaniel: Known as “X-Man,” McDaniel was a dominant force from 1981 to 1985, leading the nation in both scoring and rebounding during his senior year.
2. Antoine Carr: “The Big Dog” played from 1979 to 1983 and was known for his versatility and rebounding skills.
3. Fred VanVleet: A key player from 2012 to 2016, VanVleet helped lead the Shockers to multiple NCAA tournament appearances and was instrumental in their success.
4. Dave Stallworth: “The Rave” played from 1961 to 1965 and was one of the most talented players in the program’s history, earning two-time All-American honors.
5. Ron Baker: From 2012 to 2016, Baker was known for his scoring ability and leadership on the court, playing a crucial role in the team’s achievements.
These players have left an indelible mark on Wichita State basketball with their outstanding performances and contributions. Do you have a favorite among them or any memorable moments you’d like to share?
2. Carr
3. Rave
4. Jabalí
5. Fred
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Originally posted by Veritas View Post
1. X
2. Carr
3. Rave
4. Jabalí
5. Fred
While WJ was a star in the ABA, who knows what might have been had there been a secondary league (like the ABA) when Ron had his limited NBA success. Warren was a highly recruited high school player, while Ron wasn’t. However, Ron can’t be blamed for being an unknown from Scott City. He was a National talent who could have played anywhere. The WSU program during Ron’s tenure was more successful than Warren’s tenure. However, that can hardly be blamed on Warren who played out of position for his WSU years, and was immensely talented.
My conclusion is that both Ron Baker, and Warren Jabali are equally deserving of being the Fifth best Wichita State player, and I might add that cases could be made for Nate Bowman, Cleanthony Early, and Cleo Littleton, although, IMO, they are on the outside looking in.
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Originally posted by Shockm View Post
You’re (Reaper) quibbling or disagreeing with Veritas regarding (Top 5 WSU player) Warren Jabari and Ron Baker. I can see a good argument for both. Both had AA status or mention. Ron played a year or two in the NBA, while Warren played as a star in the ABA.
While WJ was a star in the ABA, who knows what might have been had there been a secondary league (like the ABA) when Ron had his limited NBA success. Warren was a highly recruited high school player, while Ron wasn’t. However, Ron can’t be blamed for being an unknown from Scott City. He was a National talent who could have played anywhere. The WSU program during Ron’s tenure was more successful than Warren’s tenure. However, that can hardly be blamed on Warren who played out of position for his WSU years, and was immensely talented.
My conclusion is that both Ron Baker, and Warren Jabali are equally deserving of being the Fifth best Wichita State player, and I might add that cases could be made for Nate Bowman, Cleanthony Early, and Cleo Littleton, although, IMO, they are on the outside looking in.
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Ross McBurneyInfinity Art Glass - Fantastic local artist and Shocker fan
RIP Guy Always A Shocker
Carpenter Place - A blessing to many young girls/women
ICT S.O.S - Great local cause fighting against human trafficking
Wartick Insurance Agency - Saved me money with more coverage.
Save Shocker Sports - A rallying cry
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