A New Type of NIL

[ShockerExpress]

The main K-State one, CatsNIL, states that 90% of donations go to the athlete, and 10% to the overhead costs of operating the NIL.

Yeah fair. I am talking more about the specific money numbers. Overhead should be disclosed, agreed.

[Stickboy46]

I really am not trying to be a dick, because I generally agree with all the criticisms of Armchair I have seen on here - But can you find any other NIL collective in the country where they have put out total donation numbers? Or any of the money numbers by sport? Like specifically.

If you need that for you to donate, that is certainly your right, but I do not believe that is standard, for many reasons, for any NIL Collective in the nation.

From what I have seen, again in limited research, this would be far more information disclosed than what is usual.

I understand why the information would be great to have.

Counter point ... are there any rules why they CAN'T provide that? If no .. then it doesn't matter what other collectives do.

[Shocktoberfest]

For those of you who are season ticket holders and/or SASO contributors, do you remember receiving anything by email or snail mail from Armchair or the athletic department detailing how NIL works and how the average fan can participate? How businesses can participate? I just don't remember seeing anything.

[Stickboy46]

For those of you who are season ticket holders and/or SASO contributors, do you remember receiving anything by email or snail mail from Armchair or the athletic department detailing how NIL works and how the average fan can participate? How businesses can participate? I just don't remember seeing anything.

I don't remember anything either.

Though I wonder if since Armchair is technically not the school, if there is a marketing consent that is needed for them to provide Armchair our information... I guess it could just be an athletic department letter pointing to Armchair's site

[ShockerExpress]

Counter point ... are there any rules why they CAN'T provide that? If no .. then it doesn't matter what other collectives do.

So just to be clear - you expect, in your own words, "at a minimum" for Armchair to give out the most information of any NIL Collective in the country - In order for you to feel good about their transparency?

I hope others do not expect that - Otherwise we are in major major trouble.

[Stickboy46]

So just to be clear - you expect, in your own words, "at a minimum" for Armchair to give out the most information of any NIL Collective in the country - In order for you to feel good about their transparency?

I hope others do not expect that - Otherwise we are in major major trouble.

Why are your standards so low? I really wonder. You seems to be ok with the department doing the bare minimum everything. Yet again, what is the harm in providing that information. Why can't we be the "gold standard" of NIL transparency with 2 very easily providable pieces of information? Are there other ways to earn trust? sure, but this is an easy win.

[WstateU]

For those of you who are season ticket holders and/or SASO contributors, do you remember receiving anything by email or snail mail from Armchair or the athletic department detailing how NIL works and how the average fan can participate? How businesses can participate? I just don't remember seeing anything.

[ShockerExpress]

Why are your standards so low? I really wonder. You seems to be ok with the department doing the bare minimum everything. Yet again, what is the harm in providing that information. Why can't we be the "gold standard" of NIL transparency with 2 very easily providable pieces of information? Are there other ways to earn trust? sure, but this is an easy win.

I do not expect Armchair to do something that literally no other collective in the country is doing. I do not believe that makes my standards low lol. I think that makes yours unreasonably high.

I have a feeling there are probably a ton of really good reasons why organizations are not giving out that info.

[SubGod22]

So just to be clear - you expect, in your own words, "at a minimum" for Armchair to give out the most information of any NIL Collective in the country - In order for you to feel good about their transparency?

I hope others do not expect that - Otherwise we are in major major trouble.

That's the direction it's going to end up going anyway. A number of states are pushing for more transparency when it comes to NIL and it will happen eventually.

Also, considering the overwhelming lack of trust in Armchair right now, they would benefit from more transparency. I've actually skimmed a number of articles about more transparency from NIL Collectives would generate more giving. Most people don't like throwing money at something and having no idea what the **** is going on with it.

I know I'm certainly not going to give money to anyone if I have no clue about what happens with it. Do I need specifics on everything? No. Do I want to be left completely in the dark? Also no.

[Maizerunner08]

I just want an NIL that allows us to attract and keep talent. Transparency is great but ultimately, I would donate if I see talent coming in and staying.

[ShockerExpress]

That's the direction it's going to end up going anyway. A number of states are pushing for more transparency when it comes to NIL and it will happen eventually.

Also, considering the overwhelming lack of trust in Armchair right now, they would benefit from more transparency. I've actually skimmed a number of articles about more transparency from NIL Collectives would generate more giving. Most people don't like throwing money at something and having no idea what the **** is going on with it.

I know I'm certainly not going to give money to anyone if I have no clue about what happens with it. Do I need specifics on everything? No. Do I want to be left completely in the dark? Also no.

I mean sure. I completely agree with everything you posted.

But all of that is a very far cry from "At a minimum Armchair should be giving out more information than every other collective in the country "

[Stickboy46]

I mean sure. I completely agree with everything you posted.

But all of that is a very far cry from "At a minimum Armchair should be giving out more information than every other collective in the country "

Your viewpoint that we should have zero accountability for anything results related to the athletics department has been very clear this year. That's fine. You are good with where we are at right now. I'm not. That's ok.

[ShockerExpress]

Your viewpoint that we should have zero accountability for anything results related to the athletics department has been very clear this year. That's fine. You are good with where we are at right now. I'm not. That's ok.

That is absolutely not what I said, nor what I think. And you know that. I have posted several times about how **** Armchair has been. I'm on board for that. It is a problem.

I am not on board with what you are saying. Those are two different things.

You are deflecting because you don't really understand what you are talking about, and said you expect something that is by all accounts nationally, unreasonable, which you also know.

You are being disingenuous.

[BostonWu]

IMO, collectives should operate under the same rules and guidelines as non-profits. But since we're talking about NCAA and college athletics in general that's probably an unrealistic expectation. As such it's the Wild West and anything goes. Ripe for rampant fraud.

[Stickboy46]

That is absolutely not what I said, nor what I think. And you know that. I have posted several times about how **** Armchair has been. I'm on board for that. It is a problem.

I am not on board with what you are saying. Those are two different things.

You are deflecting because you don't really understand what you are talking about, and said you expect something that is by all accounts nationally, unreasonable, which you also know.

You are being disingenuous.

You have yet to say why they can't provide the data besides "no one Else does it". If it's legal and no one else does it that doesn't make it unreasonable... It makes it an opportunity.