Where do we go from here

[calfan]

I like your post, Proshox.

This team has about one player that could make it at Houston, SMU, or Memphis.

After winning the conference title last year and going to the NCAA Tournament, a lot of you want to fire the coach.

Explain to me logically how that makes any sense.

How many NCAA division 1 basketball coaches have won the conference, gone to the NCAA Tournament, and been fired the next year?

Could you at least give me 5 examples?

[Atxshoxfan]

Is it too late to give Alterique Gilbert a scholarship? Anybody remember him? It seems the last several games that WSU was lacking a smart point guard in crunch time.

WSU doesn't need a point guard at crunch time. Just anybody to throw the ball into TE. He will handle it from there.

[ShockingButTrue]

I prefer Porter. In crunch time, Gilbert was just a worse shooting Etienne. He wasn't going to pass and was going to do everything he could to throw something up.

You are getting your wish then. But the results vary greatly, you undoubtedly admit, being as that is the only difference between this year and last (point guard).

And it ain't even close as to who was the better ball-handler between TE and Gilbert, in crunch time, or any other time for that matter. But, you're obviously one of those basketball progressives who thinks point guards are outdated, and are of no real use in the modern basketball landscape.

In all of WSU's close games this year wouldn't you have one time liked to see Porter take control, and maybe go to the charity stripe? If he ever would show the ability to do so WSU might have a better record. No? Oh, wait, aren't you the one who said Mo brings nothing to WSU's post game? That explains it...

[SubGod22]

It's easy when you believe he never should have been handed the job in the first place. Which was easy when you could see the problems last year but we were managing to get just thr right bounces. It's also easy when you could acknowledge that we benefitted big time from covid cancelations preventing us from playing games against the best teams in the conference. What's not easy is hitting out of the **** contract our dumb**** AD gifted him when he had no reason to.

[WuShock16]

Wonder how good of a relationship both Coach Brown and Coach Jans have. Would IB be willing to step back into a high paid assistant role and bring Jans in next year. Maybe split the compensation 60-40.

Perhaps after the season is over IB may reasses his God-given talents of being a very good recruiter and assistant coach. Maybe he finds himself not really liking the head coach gig and would be open to going back to what he's good at.

I know I know you're asking what world do you live in AZ Shocker that would never happen...but hey...desperate circumstances calls for desperate ideas. The program has GOT TO DO SOMETHING ASAP after the season.

When everyone said that we absolutely had to hire IB to keep the team in place, I thought this exact thing: Jans probably would have kept him around as an assistant. IB was on staff when Jans was here in his consulting/special assistant gig. From what little I know, it seems like Jans liked him (I remember Jans making congratulatory tweet when IB came here as an assistant).

Woulda, coulda, shoulda…

[SubGod22]

You are getting your wish then. But the results vary greatly, you undoubtedly admit, being as that is the only difference between this year and last (point guard).

And it ain't even close as to who was the better ball-handler between TE and Gilbert, in crunch time, or any other time for that matter. But, you're obviously one of those basketball progressives who thinks point guards are outdated, and are of no real use in the modern basketball landscape.

In all of WSU's close games this year wouldn't you have one time liked to see Porter take control, and maybe go to the charity stripe? If he ever would show the ability to do so WSU might have a better record. No? Oh, wait, aren't you the one who said Mo brings nothing to WSU's post game? That explains it...

This whole post shows you don't know Jack **** about me and have apparently never read any post I've ever made about PGs.

And I've said Mo has a very limited skill set involving maybe two back to the basket moves and he's a shot passer. His best offense is getting a drive and dish opportunity from a guard where he doesn't have to worry about anything.

If you think having a dribble happy PG who doesn't want to pass and is a bad shooter is the answer to this year's team, you are full of ****. The problem is we take the ball out of the hands of out PG and give it to a guy who becomes dribble happy and doesn't want to pass and isn't shooting all that much better than the previous PG when it comes to end of game shots and shot selection.

[proshox]

You are getting your wish then. But the results vary greatly, you undoubtedly admit, being as that is the only difference between this year and last (point guard).

And it ain't even close as to who was the better ball-handler between TE and Gilbert, in crunch time, or any other time for that matter. But, you're obviously one of those basketball progressives who thinks point guards are outdated, and are of no real use in the modern basketball landscape.

In all of WSU's close games this year wouldn't you have one time liked to see Porter take control, and maybe go to the charity stripe? If he ever would show the ability to do so WSU might have a better record. No? Oh, wait, aren't you the one who said Mo brings nothing to WSU's post game? That explains it...

Sometimes the last play is all about who the defense lets catch the ball. In our home game, Tulane did everything they could to force someone else to catch… In the road game Tulane let TE get an easy catch. I think the right read was a pass to Ricky, but TE shot instead. Split second decisions rarely workout and that is why game winners are so memorable.

[Woodrow]

I like your post, Proshox.

This team has about one player that could make it at Houston, SMU, or Memphis.

After winning the conference title last year and going to the NCAA Tournament, a lot of you want to fire the coach.

Explain to me logically how that makes any sense.

How many NCAA division 1 basketball coaches have won the conference, gone to the NCAA Tournament, and been fired the next year?

Could you at least give me 5 examples?

How many coaches have finished first in their conference and returned almost the whole team, then proceeded to finish in the bottom of the conference the following year?

[proshox]

Two key starters from last years team aren’t available. CP has been very good, but there are still key situations where AG was better. Especially penetrating and dishing.

Nobody has played the four spot near as effectively as Trey Wade. He was a gamer that wasn’t scared to battle. I really wish he would have stayed.

[Woodrow]

Two key starters from last years team aren’t available. CP has been very good, but there are still key situations where AG was better. Especially penetrating and dishing.

Nobody has played the four spot near as effectively as Trey Wade. He was a gamer that wasn’t scared to battle. I really wish he would have stayed.

I think Trey would have stayed if the coaches really wanted him to. He is averaging 3.9 pts and 1.9 rebounds at Arkansas this year. Everyone thought he was undersized to play the 4. My opinion is CP is a better overall pg than AG. If the coaches wanted AG back I think they would have made sure he made his grades so he would be eligible. I don't think either of those guys not being here has anything to do with our current trajectory.

[asiseeit]

Where we go from here? Lots of wild cards.
South the rest of this year.
Next year depends on transfers (in and out )
Can we get a couple decent big men?
Recruiting always a big ?

[proshox]

I think Trey would have stayed if the coaches really wanted him to. He is averaging 3.9 pts and 1.9 rebounds at Arkansas this year. Everyone thought he was undersized to play the 4. My opinion is CP is a better overall pg than AG. If the coaches wanted AG back I think they would have made sure he made his grades so he would be eligible. I don't think either of those guys not being here has anything to do with our current trajectory.

Wade was originally trying to stick with his brother. I also think his brother not playing much may have clouded judgement as well. With that stated - the PF spot has been a weakness this year and it wasn’t last year. To say TW leaving has nothing to do with our overall trajectory demonstrates a bias towards a specific HCIB narrative.

AG was old enough to make his own decisions, but he averaged 8 assists/game against Tulane’s zone defense… That kind of point guard play goes a long way into making everyone else play better.

I really like what CP is doing, but there are some holes in his game. For instance, he rarely passes the ball ahead for easy baskets. We saw three or four easy buckets in the game Tyson was the point guard that we haven’t seen from CP (Armstead was the king of these passes). Furthermore, CP isn’t a willing catch and shoot player. He does excel at driving to score, but is a below average point guard when it comes to penetrating and dishing. His max assists in a game this year is 7 against Norfolk and one game with six against Alcorn. In summary he is a very good guard, he has some key tools on both ends of the court, but he doesn’t necessarily make the game easier for his teammates.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Wade was originally trying to stick with his brother. I also think his brother not playing much may have clouded judgement as well. With that stated - the PF spot has been a weakness this year and it wasn’t last year. To say TW leaving has nothing to do with our overall trajectory demonstrates a bias towards a specific HCIB narrative.

AG was old enough to make his own decisions, but he averaged 8 assists/game against Tulane’s zone defense… That kind of point guard play goes a long way into making everyone else play better.

I really like what CP is doing, but there are some holes in his game. For instance, he rarely passes the ball ahead for easy baskets. We saw three or four easy buckets in the game Tyson was the point guard that we haven’t seen from CP (Armstead was the king of these passes). Furthermore, CP isn’t a willing catch and shoot player. He does excel at driving to score, but is a below average point guard when it comes to penetrating and dishing. His max assists in a game this year is 7 against Norfolk and one game with six against Alcorn. In summary he is a very good guard, he has some key tools on both ends of the court, but he doesn’t necessarily make the game easier for his teammates.

Comparing last years Tulane team to this years is a complete joke! CP is night and day better than AG, and I liked AG.

[proshox]

Comparing last years Tulane team to this years is a complete joke! CP is night and day better than AG, and I liked AG.

Tulane’s defense looks exactly the same as last year, but I knew someone would attempt this disingenuous argument. So I will just respond with this - a low assist day for Gilbert is a high assist day for CP.

CP is a really good basketball player, but he isn’t a creative guard. If he gets into the lane he is can be an effective scorer, but if he has to pass the ball it all falls apart. Everyone wanted to blame Tyson for the meltdown Saturday, but CP had two unforced turnovers on drives and screened the wrong defender on a key set play down the stretch (never-mind Ricky, Dex and Mo all making questionable plays)

If you go to today’s Eagle article… Taylor does a good job of showing what is working and what isn’t working with the offense….

[Onegreatracer]

https://charlotte49ers.com/staff-directory/mike-hill/303

Would be my pick for AD. Served under a great AD at Florida and has done amazing work at Charlotte.