Cincinnati at Wichita State Game Thread 1-16-22

[Shock Top]

That would be Gregg Marshall. What is this the Shocker Faithful fb group?

twitter also has a problem with him but I’ll say it again, Gregg Marshall.

I just like pissing those people off ;)

[Dan]

Dan - a player can be double teamed and still have no open players. It is all about spacing.

the fact that Tyson is being asked to be the guy to identify this is part of the problem. Tyson needs to be the guy coming off the screen and receiving the pass for the open shot.

[DwShock]

This is wild. Who does TE think his is?

If teams are taking him away, he needs to do a better jobs of creating easy points for his teammates. That would start creating more open looks for himself, if more players are scoring threats.

TE needs a HUGE reality check. I don’t remember TE talking like this under former-coach-whose-name-triggers-people-when-spoken-allowed.

That would be Gregg Marshall. What is this the Shocker Faithful fb group?

twitter also has a problem with him but I’ll say it again, Gregg Marshall.

[proshox]

I'm sure they did. How many times did TE take contested shots? That's the topic of discussion here. I did not say he never passes the ball. Tyson has a tendency to fall in love with the idea of saving the team, especially in the final 10 minutes of the game. His passes become fewer and his contested shots become greater.

Dan - a player can be double teamed and still have no open players. It is all about spacing.

[Regul8te]

I remember someone on here once mentioning the need for a head doctor. Is that something teams focus on?

Many years ago I was a mediocre player on a dominant city league basketball team. There were several players who should have been D1 but they were all “knuckleheads” according to the coach.

One summer I went with a buddy to the Emporia State “Yes I Can” camp hosted by coach Slaymaker.

I came out of that camp a totally different player. I couldn’t miss. The game slowed down and opened up for me. For about a month I was completely unguardable. The other much better players were stunned and couldn’t figure it out.

Eventually I regressed to my more natural skill level and ended up in corporate America.

But the skills they taught at that camp were crazy and it was nearly all mental. I’ll never forget it. If college coaches aren’t focusing heavily on the mental, they are missing the mark.

I also wonder how much our crazy weights program impacts our shooting ability.

[shock]

This is wild. Who does TE think his is?

If teams are taking him away, he needs to do a better jobs of creating easy points for his teammates. That would start creating more open looks for himself, if more players are scoring threats.

TE needs a HUGE reality check. I don’t remember TE talking like this under former-coach-whose-name-triggers-people-when-spoken-allowed.

I’ll say it.


Gregg Marshall wouldn’t stand for this.

[Shock Top]

Here's a quote from Etienne after the game. It doesn't seem to occur to him that if the opponents are making it difficult for him, they're making it easier for somebody else.

“Anybody in my situation knows I’m not going to get clean looks,” Etienne said. “I’m going to have to take contested shots because those are the options I’m getting. That’s the whole objective of the scouting report is to make sure I don’t get anything easy. I made some tough shots and I missed some down the stretch, but I felt like for the most part I did well on my tough shots. I don’t really expect to get anything easy. That’s just the nature of being who I am.”

Read more at: https://www.kansas.com/sports/colleg...#storylink=cpy

This is wild. Who does TE think his is?

If teams are taking him away, he needs to do a better jobs of creating easy points for his teammates. That would start creating more open looks for himself, if more players are scoring threats.

TE needs a HUGE reality check. I don’t remember TE talking like this under former-coach-whose-name-triggers-people-when-spoken-allowed.

[Shock Top]

I didn't listen to the post game yesterday. Does anyone have a summary of what MK and IB had to say?

I didn;t pay much attention, but if I had to guess.

“Sunshine. Rainbows. Everything is okay. Good opponents. They just made more shots. Missed some chances at the end. This teams has good shooters. They still have a chance to do good things. Lollipops. Puppy dogs.”

[shock]

Judging by all of those quotes, this team is never gonna get it and is a lost cause.

TE will never sniff the NBA.

Not this summer, but if he transfers to a disciplinarian that runs a good offense, he would have a chance.

no racehorse runs without a bridle.

[SubGod22]

IB stopped the motion and started the PnR offense the last part of the game in order to facilitate getting the ball in the hands of our best player in order to take those contested shots. Problem is, our best player isn't very good.

It's the whole "doing the same thing and expecting different results" thing.

Our best player was out for healthy and safety

[wichshock65]

I'm sure they did. How many times did TE take contested shots? That's the topic of discussion here. I did not say he never passes the ball. Tyson has a tendency to fall in love with the idea of saving the team, especially in the final 10 minutes of the game. His passes become fewer and his contested shots become greater.

IB stopped the motion and started the PnR offense the last part of the game in order to facilitate getting the ball in the hands of our best player in order to take those contested shots. Problem is, our best player isn't very good.

It's the whole "doing the same thing and expecting different results" thing.

[Dan]

Go find the tape of the wide open players in yesterday’s game. I promise in most situations the open player received a pass

I'm sure they did. How many times did TE take contested shots? That's the topic of discussion here. I did not say he never passes the ball. Tyson has a tendency to fall in love with the idea of saving the team, especially in the final 10 minutes of the game. His passes become fewer and his contested shots become greater.

[proshox]

there's 2 reasons TE is taking contested shots, either 1) his offense is not better than a decent college defender, or 2) he's getting doubled and not recognizing the open man. Pick whichever one you want, that doesn't scream NBA level skill or decision making.

Go find the tape of the wide open players in yesterday’s game. I promise in most situations the open player received a pass

[proshox]

That sums up TE. He knows the situation and doesn't care. He is going to get his shots up no matter what.

Both can be right. Ten three point shots was too few (especially considering a couple of the shots were end of shot clock prayers) and in past games we took too many bad three pointers. Tyson was right about yesterday’s game and Coach IB is right about past games.


I think any coach will tell you the way we tried to score was remarkably inefficient yesterday. The resulting percentages were not surprising.

[Topshock]

Here's a quote from Etienne after the game. It doesn't seem to occur to him that if the opponents are making it difficult for him, they're making it easier for somebody else.

“Anybody in my situation knows I’m not going to get clean looks,” Etienne said. “I’m going to have to take contested shots because those are the options I’m getting. That’s the whole objective of the scouting report is to make sure I don’t get anything easy. I made some tough shots and I missed some down the stretch, but I felt like for the most part I did well on my tough shots. I don’t really expect to get anything easy. That’s just the nature of being who I am.”

Read more at: https://www.kansas.com/sports/colleg...#storylink=cpy

That sums up TE. He knows the situation and doesn't care. He is going to get his shots up no matter what.

This is what happens when you don't have a coach.