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[ShockingButTrue]

The post position isn't a strength of ours with Udeze in the game. It also isn't a major weakness. It just is what it is.

Nothing about his taking charges huh?

Anyway, thank you for making my point. Udeze was f-a-r from the weak link on this AAC championship team that many posters endlessly, fractiously, claimed he is, including you. How did the rest of our front-line troops rate? Who would you have wanted in for Mo? Bilau? Exactly. Mo couldn't do it all by himself could he? Why did you expect him to?

It appears Brown is righting the ship to get Mo some badly needed help on the block. Maybe then we'll be subjected to less of the endless "Mo don't hit the boards" nonsense, because I really don't feel like pulling up old individual rebounding stats from over the last 10-15 years ok? A lot of our posters minds have rather -ahem- dimmed with nostalgia when talking about the good ol' days, when WSU used to dine on backboards (even though GGG rarely, if ever, could gets his troupes to out-board Houston).

So, yeah, I agree, let's please give up the gamesmanship about who did what, when.

[SHOXAAC]

Nothing about his taking charges huh?

Anyway, thank you for making my point. Udeze was f-a-r from the weak link on this AAC championship team that many posters endlessly, fractiously, claimed he is, including you. How did the rest of our front-line troops rate? Who would you have wanted in for Mo? Bilau? Exactly. Mo couldn't do it all by himself could he? Why did you expect him to?

It appears Brown is righting the ship to get Mo some badly needed help on the block. Maybe then we'll be subjected to less of the endless "Mo don't hit the boards" nonsense, because I really don't feel like pulling up old individual rebounding stats from over the last 10-15 years ok? A lot of our posters minds have rather -ahem- dimmed with nostalgia when talking about the good ol' days, when WSU used to dine on backboards (even though GGG rarely, if ever, could gets his troupes to out-board Houston).

So, yeah, I agree, let's please give up the gamesmanship about who did what, when.

You're pinning your case on taking charges. He is a shitty defender, but yea he has taken some chargers. Let's party!!! There have been worse post men than Udeze for sure, but I will take Stutz, Durley, Hall and a few others over Udeze all day long.

[Shockm]

You're pinning your case on taking charges. He is a shitty defender, but yea he has taken some chargers. Let's party!!! There have been worse post men than Udeze for sure, but I will take Stutz, Durley, Hall and a few others over Udeze all day long.

I totally agree. He had 15 blocks in 22 games. That is with 5 blocks (Houston 2nd game), and 3 blocks (Emporia State). Without those two games, he had 7 in 20 games. Most games he blocked zero. How many blocks p/game is that? I hope he can take a charge because he has shown he can’t block shots. Rim protection is important.

With his rebounding ending at a 4.7 average, I wouldn’t Pin my hopes on Mo playing 24 minutes per game again and that was only because he was constantly in foul trouble early in the year. Otherwise, he would have had 30 minutes per game.

[WuTheOne]

Udeze is potentially on the all-conference lists next year as a Jr. For most of the season Udeze was lined up to have the highest FG% in the history of WSU basketball.

Udeze scores against a lot of doubles. 60% against a double is the equivalent of passing out to a 3-shooter hitting at 40%. Going to the hoop gets fouls. Passing to a perimeter shooter doesn't get fouls. Last year, Udeze going to the bucket against a double seems to have been more effective than passing to a 3-shooter.

Udeze doesn't box out well consistently and he isn't "bouncy" or quick off the floor. He's unlikely to ever be a great rebounder. He can put out the same energy and effort as someone with quicker and better ups, and he's still not going to have great rebounding numbers.

Durley, Morris, and Stutz all had their best years as Sr's. Udeze will be a Jr (for eligibility) next year.

Last year, defenses ignored Wade. That gave Wade some stats, but allowed doubles on Udeze. Transfers and recruiting seem to have been an effort to not allow defenses to ignore our PF, which will make it easier for Udeze to be more effective.

[ShockingButTrue]

Udeze is potentially on the all-conference lists next year as a Jr. For most of the season Udeze was lined up to have the highest FG% in the history of WSU basketball.

Udeze scores against a lot of doubles. 60% against a double is the equivalent of passing out to a 3-shooter hitting at 40%. Going to the hoop gets fouls. Passing to a perimeter shooter doesn't get fouls. Last year, Udeze going to the bucket against a double seems to have been more effective than passing to a 3-shooter.

Udeze doesn't box out well consistently and he isn't "bouncy" or quick off the floor. He's unlikely to ever be a great rebounder. He can put out the same energy and effort as someone with quicker and better ups, and he's still not going to have great rebounding numbers.

Durley, Morris, and Stutz all had their best years as Sr's. Udeze will be a Jr (for eligibility) next year.

Last year, defenses ignored Wade. That gave Wade some stats, but allowed doubles on Udeze. Transfers and recruiting seem to have been an effort to not allow defenses to ignore our PF, which will make it easier for Udeze to be more effective.

This pretty much sums it up, except for the he doesn't block out "well." Some people on this board would try to have the rest of us believe he doesn't block out at all.

Udeze is, at worst, equal to any of those players you mentioned. The only real exception is those players had help down low, whereas Mo had none really to speak of. It's curious people single him out when he was by far and away the best post WSU had this year, which was a championship season.

[ShockingButTrue]

You're pinning your case on taking charges. He is a shitty defender, but yea he has taken some chargers. Let's party!!! There have been worse post men than Udeze for sure, but I will take Stutz, Durley, Hall and a few others over Udeze all day long.

You were rooting for Bilau this year weren't you? Took a few charges? How can I take your argument seriously? You probably thought Loyola and Drake weren't that good either.

Maybe if Mo would have averaged 8 boards, which hasn't been done in a long time on a Round House court, the Shocks could have been a Sweet 16 participant. It's Mo's fault man... Never mind some atrocious shooting for most of the season and especially the month of March. Bring Back GGG!

[SubGod22]

he was by far and away the best post WSU had this year,.

Which is why we have to get better. If he's the best we have, it puts so much more pressure on our perimeter players. Tyson needs help, and hopefully help is on the way with McFarlane and Pleasant and ideally one more on top of that.

If Udeze is an all conference player this year, the AAC has a lack of good bigs.

[ShockingButTrue]

Which is why we have to get better. If he's the best we have, it puts so much more pressure on our perimeter players. Tyson needs help, and hopefully help is on the way with McFarlane and Pleasant and ideally one more on top of that.

If Udeze is an all conference player this year, the AAC has a lack of good bigs.

AAC champions wasn't enough for you? NCAA tournament wasn't enough for you?

Can you give the rest of us a break with the "it's Mo's fault" bull**it and look at the big picture, like, let's get some help in here for MO, because he's a pretty good piece to build around on the front-line? Dan Dakich thinks your full of s**t Sub... : D

Maybe if Mo was better we'd have gone to the F4 huh? Never mind the guard play in March...

What next, if WSU was in the Valley this past year they would have owned it?

[Shockm]

Which is why we have to get better. If he's the best we have, it puts so much more pressure on our perimeter players. Tyson needs help, and hopefully help is on the way with McFarlane and Pleasant and ideally one more on top of that.

If Udeze is an all conference player this year, the AAC has a lack of good bigs.

We showed our domination in the AAC Tournament. Lost to a bad Cincinnati team after a sub-par performance against a bad South Florida team minus one of their best players.

[Dan]

Mo needs help down low, both at the 4 and the backup 5. I think we all agree. Mo is not the best post player we’ve ever had but he’s pretty good and would be better with a supporting cast. I think that about sums it up.

[AZ Shocker]

I like his tenacity. Liked seeing his improvement this past season. Love him taking charges and when I look back...it sure seems he brings it every night. Another off-season and perhaps he can become a better passer. Another big playing beside him and perhaps he becomes a better rebounder. Not the smoothest cat down low on the offensive side...but he works...and I wouldn't be surprised to see marked improvement going in to next season. Go Shocks!!!

[pie n eye]

We showed our domination in the AAC Tournament. Lost to a bad Cincinnati team after a sub-par performance against a bad South Florida team minus one of their best players.

Two games in which Mo played well. 9 points, 11 boards against USF, 11/7 against Cinci. Of course he followed that up by going for 22/4 against Drake.

But yeah Tyson, Ricky, and Jackson’s goose eggs against Drake were probably Mo’s fault too.

He should have scored 40. Asking those guys to score 2 points between the three of them is too much pressure.

[TheShocktocles]

We showed our domination in the AAC Tournament. Lost to a bad Cincinnati team after a sub-par performance against a bad South Florida team minus one of their best players.

Yeah we lost to Cincinnati 60 to 59. We lost by 1 point.. And shot 50% from the free throw line for a total of 6 for12. They lost to Drake 53 to 52. Again shot 50% from the free throw line. The Shocks shot 11 for 22. Heck the shocks missed more free throws than what Drake shot in the entire game.. If the Shocks even shoot 65% from the free throw line in those games they win both of those games.

In my opinion the Shocks are not too far off from being a really good team. Coach Brown has recruited to address some of the weaknesses. Now they just need to get in the gym and improve.. And of course shooting free throws like Tulane will result in more wins next year. And fuk Joe Larnardi bracketology prediction. Every year the same old bullsht from him and the bluebloods.

[Shockm]

I’m not saying Mo is Trash. He’s going to give minutes (hopefully not above 20 minutes if we want to be good). However, I’ve heard some of you give the suggestion that Mo needs help from Dexter, Ricky, Tyson, Joe Pleasant, etc.

My question is how good would Dexter, Ricky, Pleasant, and Tyson be if we had a dominant Center who could protect the rim on defense, rebound 8 rebounds a game, and effectively pass when double teamed? We would be very good imo.

[ShockingButTrue]

Two games in which Mo played well. 9 points, 11 boards against USF, 11/7 against Cinci. Of course he followed that up by going for 22/4 against Drake.

But yeah Tyson, Ricky, and Jackson’s goose eggs against Drake were probably Mo’s fault too.

He should have scored 40. Asking those guys to score 2 points between the three of them is too much pressure.

No doubt. It's odd how for some reason Mo is the whipping boy for this team not going to the S16, as if Wade and Jackson carried the load down low. Clearly Mo was WSU's best post man, and it wasn't even close.

If we're going to play the game of pointing fingers at what held the team back from going to the Elite 8 shouldn't the guard play in March, which was wretched, be a part of the conversation? That's just a rhetorical question by the way (I'm happy with the season the Shocks just completed).