my wish is for Etienne to develop into a PG. He’s playing the 2 and at 6’1”, it’s not ideal. He played some PG in HS and is gonna have to be a PG if he plays at the next level. I’m still not convinced we have what we need at the point. Sherfield is just too methodic and is not creating like he needs to. We hear about his shooting but I haven’t really seen it yet. Start JB at the 3 and Erik at the 2. Until Dennis starts playing like he can, we need guys out there that can put points on the board and I don’t think we’re giving up much on D the way ES and JB play.
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Originally posted by Dan View Postmy wish is for Etienne to develop into a PG. He’s playing the 2 and at 6’1”, it’s not ideal. He played some PG in HS and is gonna have to be a PG if he plays at the next level. I’m still not convinced we have what we need at the point. Sherfield is just too methodic and is not creating like he needs to. We hear about his shooting but I haven’t really seen it yet. Start JB at the 3 and Erik at the 2. Until Dennis starts playing like he can, we need guys out there that can put points on the board and I don’t think we’re giving up much on D the way ES and JB play.
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I don't give much weight to stats fattened up against weak opponents. My opinions are my own based on my knowledge of
the game and what I have seen. GM is the man, no question, and HIS opinions rule. Having said that based on what I've seen
from last year and this year my own depth chart and player assessments are as follows. At point, both JB and GS are a little slow
and methodical. They both dribble to much and don't even look to pass inside. It looks like they are both working to get their
own shots first. Improvement is needed running the team and keeping the ball moving. If they don't get better quickly I'd like to
see more NF. ES and ET have performed well at the two guard and on both ends. DD plays good tough defense but hasn't
shown me any toughness on offense. When your shots off use your athleticism to get to the rim and draw some fouls and/or
double teams where you can then get some assists to the big guys. ES backs up well. For me, Wade still has a lot prove.
JE clearly our best center. I think AM and MO just need to defend and rebound well and convert the easy shots when a
perimeter player actually sees them and delivers a good pass. AM is the better screener and doesn't try and do too much on
offense ( a good thing ) whereas MO sometimes tries to do to much, therefore, I give the edge to AM as first back up. I'd like
to see JE a little more at PF. I see our team weaknesses as poor ball movement and no frontline players that can play with
their backs to the basket effectively - but some of that is on the perimeter guys not getting them the ball when they have
established good position or flashing open after setting screens and moving to the rim
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"At point, both JB and GS are a little slow and methodical. They both dribble to much and don't even look to pass inside."
I agree. I wanna see more FernandesLast edited by pinstripers; November 29, 2019, 11:21 AM.
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Last year dennis asked to come off the bench instead of start. That seemed to put his game at another (better ) level. Maybe the same would work this year?The future's so bright - I gotta wear shades.
We like to cut down nets and get sized for championship rings.
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Originally posted by pinstripers View Post"At point, both JB and GS are a little slow and methodical. They both dribble to much and don't even look to pass inside."
I agree. I wanna see more FernandesPeople who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. -Isaac Asimov
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Originally posted by shock View Post
Agree. I want an aggressive PG. Find someone who wants to attack the paint. That ball needs to be entering the paint in drives or passes. Erik needs to assume leadership and take this team by the balls because his attitude is on point.
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WSU is top 30 in the nation in assist to turnover margin; in turnover margin WSU is tied for 32. In turnovers per game WSU is tied for 15th best.
Guard play is not WSU's biggest concern in the early going. NF isn't ready for starter minutes.
Getting out-rebounded at a count of 48-31 is a big concern. But, it was only one game. WSU isn't going to play many more games this year against team's with a front-line like WVU put out there. When motivated Tshiebwe (18 rbs.) and Culver (9 rbs.) are going to be hard for any team to handle on the glass. I did like the way JE competed against their bigs', but AM has got to give them a little more on the glass however (ZERO rbs.).
It was just one game. Not worried.
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Originally posted by molly jabali View PostIf I had a dollar for every time I yelled ",MOVE THE BALL!!!", I'd be dining at Chesters tonight....dribbling was unreal...Originally posted by shock View PostIt’s time for Marshall to step up the offense. They need to be moving.
IMHO, we seldom make quick, crisp passes. Almost never make a second, and especially a third, pass quickly without holding, dribbling, faking a shot, or pivoting with the ball. We are forever giving the defense time to catch up to their man (or the D is already by their man). This isn't just about the PG, but all the positions on the court. The open man is generally not going to be the player receiving the first pass, unless there is a hell of a screen. That open shot is on the second or third quick pass, arriving to receiver as he is just getting to his destination spot.
What was the first thing WVU did to disrupt our "planned" offense? Hassle our PG and cut off that first pass to the right a little ways outside the 3 point arc to start the play. It looked like "now what do we do".
We are very young still and that can contribute a lot to this. Nevertheless, I've watched experienced Marshall teams stagnate on offense. I believe, at this point anyway, we have a very deep bench with a lot of smart, willing to work hard players. Make the other team have to chase you and the ball on offense and never give a moment's rest on defense. Be unpredictable from one offensive possession to another. I'll sit back down in my rocker now.
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Originally posted by ShockTalk View Post
I haven't said much of anything about the WVU game or at times in other games when our offense looks in low gear. The reason why is that I don't need to hear the "in Marshall we trust" or "why aren't you making the big bucks" comment. It is strictly a personal preference on the type of offense I like to watch. If you know who Pete Corril is and the "Princeton offense", you'll know a little more about what I'm talking about. Also, this isn't about just this year. Fortunately, players like FVV seem to have a special knack regardless of the offenses being run.
IMHO, we seldom make quick, crisp passes. Almost never make a second, and especially a third, pass quickly without holding, dribbling, faking a shot, or pivoting with the ball. We are forever giving the defense time to catch up to their man (or the D is already by their man). This isn't just about the PG, but all the positions on the court. The open man is generally not going to be the player receiving the first pass, unless there is a hell of a screen. That open shot is on the second or third quick pass, arriving to receiver as he is just getting to his destination spot.
What was the first thing WVU did to disrupt our "planned" offense? Hassle our PG and cut off that first pass to the right a little ways outside the 3 point arc to start the play. It looked like "now what do we do".
We are very young still and that can contribute a lot to this. Nevertheless, I've watched experienced Marshall teams stagnate on offense. I believe, at this point anyway, we have a very deep bench with a lot of smart, willing to work hard players. Make the other team have to chase you and the ball on offense and never give a moment's rest on defense. Be unpredictable from one offensive possession to another. I'll sit back down in my rocker now.
Now the answer to that is what I expect we will see over the next month. We have Central Arkansas to start implementing more depth to the offense, Ok St to give it a test and iron out some kinks, OU and VCU to take it to the brink, ACU and ECU to add the final touches, Ole Miss to put it all together before taking on Memphis and getting into conference play.
This first half of the OCC has given Marshall a good idea of his line up. Who we see start against CAU will be who get the nod the rest of the season barring injury. Expect to see the score run up on all when they can.People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. -Isaac Asimov
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