2019-20 National Rankings

[Kel Varnsen]

"Best teams" ... Proceeds to rank KU higher than the team that just blew them out on their home floor

And yet KU is still rated higher in Sagarin, KenPom, and Haslametrics than Baylor. Are those ratings systems biased?

[shockerfan]

Before you go and fulfill every stereotype that people have for WSU fans, consider this from his Twitter bio...

“I base my AP poll vote on best teams, not best résumés.”

We are around the 24-25 range for KenPom and Haslametrics, although I’m stoked we are #16 in the AP poll. It’s not completely unreasonable to have us close to the fringe. And complaining about it on Twitter will not do anything for our cause.

Thank you KU Varnsen.

How is the NET ranking? Or you just using the ones that fit your argument?

[Cdizzle]

And yet KU is still rated higher in Sagarin, KenPom, and Haslametrics than Baylor. Are those ratings systems biased?

Have you looked at his ballot?

[Stickboy46]

We are a fringe Top 25 team based on a decent amount of predictive metrics. Why are we going to revoke someone’s AP vote again? This kinda stuff just makes us look small.

1. He voted KU higher than the team that just blew them out on their home floor. Homer vote. Baylor is the better team, resume everything. Zero reasoning to put KU over Baylor
2. By decent amount do you mean KP?

WSU Metrics:
KP - 25
NET - 9
Massey Composite - 16
Sagarin - 17
KPI - 11
Torvik - 12
WAB - 11

We are closer to Top 10 in metrics than we are 23.

[Kel Varnsen]

Thank you KU Varnsen.

How is the NET ranking? Or you just using the ones that fit your argument?

My post that you quoted had nothing to do with KU. Just the way Newell rated WSU. It’s fair to put us there because a decent amount of computer rankings have us there.

The NET ranking is useful but not the best metric around. There are lots of others that people use, like the ones I mentioned. But I’m thrilled that we are as high as we are and hope we stay there.

[Stickboy46]

And yet KU is still rated higher in Sagarin, KenPom, and Haslametrics than Baylor. Are those ratings systems biased?

Head to Head ... two days ago on KUs home floor overrides those metrics. The game wasn't close

[Kel Varnsen]

Have you looked at his ballot?

Have you looked at the industry standard metrics I just mentioned?

[shockerfan]

1. He voted KU higher than the team that just blew them out on their home floor. Homer vote. Baylor is the better team, resume everything. Zero reasoning to put KU over Baylor
2. By decent amount do you mean KP?

WSU Metrics:
KP - 25
NET - 9
Massey Composite - 16
Sagarin - 17
KPI - 11
Torvik - 12
WAB - 11

We are closer to Top 10 in metrics than we are 23.

You win. Using his own argument against him. Well done.

[Stickboy46]

My post that you quoted had nothing to do with KU. Just the way Newell rated WSU. It’s fair to put us there because a decent amount of computer rankings have us there.

The NET ranking is useful but not the best metric around. There are lots of others that people use, like the ones I mentioned. But I’m thrilled that we are as high as we are and hope we stay there.

It's fair to call out a KU guy that puts us 4 spots lower than ANY of other 64 voters

[Stickboy46]

Have you looked at the industry standard metrics I just mentioned?

Have YOU looked at the industry standard metrics .. and by that i mean more than just KP

[Kel Varnsen]

1. He voted KU higher than the team that just blew them out on their home floor. Homer vote. Baylor is the better team, resume everything. Zero reasoning to put KU over Baylor
2. By decent amount do you mean KP?

WSU Metrics:
KP - 25
NET - 9
Massey Composite - 16
Sagarin - 17
KPI - 11
Torvik - 12
WAB - 11

We are closer to Top 10 in metrics than we are 23.

NET, Massey, and WAB are not predictive metrics. They are all descriptive metrics or opinions. Torvik is a little of an outlier, though there may be value there.

[TheShocktocles]

Maybe one of you know the answer, but I simply don't know. Does the NCAA selection committee rely upon KP or the net for purpose of selection and seeding?

[Stickboy46]

NET, Massey, and WAB are not predictive metrics. They are all descriptive metrics or opinions. Torvik is a little of an outlier, though there may be value there.

lol .. so now just trying to pick and choose your metrics to fit your point. Gotcha. You can admit defeat. He's a homer and its a homer vote. 64 of the 65 AP voters (and the majority of metrics) agree with my view point

[Cdizzle]

Have you looked at the industry standard metrics I just mentioned?

Yes. And not just the 2 you cherry-picked.

And thanks for avoiding the question.

[Stickboy46]

Maybe one of you know the answer, but I simply don't know. Does the NCAA selection committee rely upon KP or the net for purpose of selection and seeding?

Main one is NET. That drives the team sheets (i.e. its how they are sorted for Quandrants). It's far and away the most important one. There is a small section dedicated to other rankings, KP, Sagarin, KPI and a couple other (i think 6 total) are listed.