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Originally posted by shocks02
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You’re an idiot if you think you count on someone as a 2 guard who hasn’t proven that they can handle the ball as a guard in any situation, let alone pressure situations. That’s the point. Not whether a player is a moderate shooter, bad shooter, or worse.
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No doubt about it.Originally posted by wufan View Post
I guess I'm old school but a pair of FWDs that are 6'4"-6'5" reeks of a Mo. Valley type front court. The Shocks are beyond that.Comment
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He will and he won’t.Originally posted by pinstripers View Post
in other words, he will get some time in the rotation at the 4 and some at the 3. I’m sure that the experiment of Dexter at the 2 will occur in the rotation too but until we see him handle that situation, I’m skeptical.Comment
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Watching social media, Dexter and Erik have been in the gym every day since they got back in town. I expect a big jump from themComment
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I am hopeful that Torres’ shooting returns to JUCO form next year. If (big question mark) it does, he and Fernandes should be a great fit to man the lead guard position. If not, it’s Burton and/or Etienne plus Fernandes.
I think the 2 will be manned by Stevenson and Etienne, with Tyson possibly being an upgrade over Samanae from day one...he’s bigger, stronger, just as quick...similar passer and has the potential to be a better shooter that SHJ (not a real high bar there). Shooting from the guard position stands out as a potentially devastating weakness.
Can anyone play play the 4 other than Teddy? Dexter and Burton at the 3 seems ideal to me. If we have PG issues, then it’s Allen and Dennis Getting all 40 minutes while JB plays some point.
Buckets getting buckets at the 4! Gordon will get valuable but limited minutes backing up Buckets.
Three-headed monster at the 5! Not sure who rides the pine.
If shooting returns towards the mean for our talented and athletic bunch, then it mostly looks like this:
Torres/Fernandes
Stevenson/Etienne
Dennis/Burton
Allen/Gordon
Echineque/Midtgaard/+1
Brown or Brown’s replacement fills the 13th spot.Livin the dreamComment
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Burton plays point over Torres if Ricky is back.Originally posted by wufan View PostComment
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Torres will have the 5th most D-1 returning minute on the team next year. More than Midtgaard, Chandler, and even Allen. He played more minutes than Haynes-Jones did as a junior and he played in every game. He averaged 2.5 assists and only 1 TO per game. He was a career 39% 3 point shooter in JUCO. I am betting he averages 20+ MPG next year.
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If all 4 of the 5's stay I would like to see either Poor Bear or Udeze red-shirt next year. That would break up the freshmen class and give us a reliable big for the next 4 years.I won't tolerate rude behaviorComment
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Just not seeing what many of you see in RT. He didn't start over JB this year and won't next. JB is
MUCH better defensively, bigger, stronger, etc. Now, if one of the freshmen turn out to be better than
JB and take the PG job all the better but I sure don't see it being RT. Also, JB is NOT a small forward.
From what I have seen of TA he is not a small forward either. DD pretty much has that slot tied up
for 30-35 minutes a game with ES probably playing the big guard. I am not at all worried about ES's
perimeter shooting. Those two will be team leaders. If TA can defend and rebound like a PF we will
be a top 40, maybe top 30, team NEXT year providing everyone returns healthy. Add in a surprise
quality grad transfer power forward or one of our freshmen being an immediate standout and who knows.
Also, I have a gut feeling that Tate Busse might make some noise, as well, as a situational shooter and ball handler.Comment
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Originally posted by SHOXAAC View Post
GreatWhiteBuffalo posted:
I would even argue that he regressed. Started turning the ball over more at the end, never figured out any of the shooting thing. Not a lot to like really. Especially those damned green shoes...
Let's look at some of this. First, it's important to understand what his roll became as the season went along. RT was the primary "PG only" during most of the first half of the season. As Burton came along, he became the backup PG. His roll become more of a "hold the fort" approach.
Comparing the first 19 games to the last 18 games:
First 19: Minutes played 379 / assists 50 / assists per40 of 5.28 / TO 25 / TOs per40 of 2.64 / A/T of 2.00
Last 18: Minutes played 183 / assists 40 / assists per40 of 8.74 / TO 12 / TOs per40 of 2.62 / A/T of 3.33
First 19: Minutes 379 / steals 9 / steals per40 of 0.95 / 48 points / points per40 of 5.07
Last 19: Minutes 183 / steals 7 / steals per40 of 1.53 / 38 points / points per40 of 8.31
Lastly, im4wsu 's Plus/Minus comparison is for 1-18 games and 19-34 games:
1-18: Net/40 -3.0 (-25 points)
19-34: Net/40 +10.3 (+49 points) That's the largest net/40 of any Shocker. JE 9.4 / ES 9.0 / MM 8.8 / Team 5.7 (+91 points)
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JB has far better shooting stats, but other than that, not a whole lot to favor one over the other. RT did not seem to perfoon a per 40 basis------------------TORRES----------------- -----------------BURTON---------------- 1-10 11-20 21-30 Post Overall 1-10 11-20 21-30 Post Overall GS 6 5 0 0 10 5 6 10 7 28 MP 200 189 129 71 563 201 285 249 171 889 FG 11 12 11 5 37 14 26 28 10 78 FGA 34 29 32 15 107 37 56 77 30 200 FG% 0.324 0.414 0.344 0.333 0.346 0.378 0.464 0.364 0.333 0.390 2P 10 11 10 4 33 14 22 24 8 68 2PA 14 19 22 10 62 31 47 60 24 162 2P% 0.714 0.579 0.455 0.400 0.532 0.452 0.468 0.400 0.333 0.420 3P 1 1 1 1 4 0 4 4 2 10 3PA 20 10 10 5 45 6 9 17 6 38 3P% 0.050 0.100 0.100 0.200 0.089 0.000 0.444 0.235 0.333 0.263 FT 2 2 2 2 8 14 20 17 4 55 FTA 4 4 2 2 12 22 26 23 6 77 FT% 0.500 0.500 1.000 1.000 0.667 0.636 0.769 0.739 0.667 0.714 ORB 5 2 2 2 11 11 19 8 6 42 DRB 13 22 14 11 57 20 28 31 9 84 TRB 18 24 16 13 68 31 47 39 15 126 AST 26 34 26 10 90 23 31 48 26 126 STL 5 5 4 3 15 7 2 7 4 19 BLK 2 1 0 0 3 0 1 1 1 3 TOV 11 20 6 6 37 15 26 14 14 68 PF 9 10 13 4 36 14 23 23 14 72 PTS 25 27 25 13 86 42 76 77 26 221 +/- -22 -27 23 -4 19 -18 -52 11 33 22 +/-/40 -4.5 -3.0 1.9 -2.3 1.4 -3.6 -4.5 -0.6 7.7 1.0
------------------TORRES----------------- -----------------BURTON---------------- 1-10 11-20 21-30 Post Overall 1-10 11-20 21-30 Post Overall ORB 1.0 0.4 0.6 1.1 0.8 2.2 2.7 1.3 1.4 1.9 DRB 2.6 4.7 4.3 6.2 4.0 4.0 3.9 5.0 2.1 3.8 TRB 3.6 5.1 5.0 7.3 4.8 6.2 6.6 6.3 3.5 5.7 AST 5.2 7.2 8.1 5.6 6.4 4.6 4.4 7.7 6.1 5.7 STL 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.7 1.1 1.4 0.3 1.1 0.9 0.9 BLK 0.4 0.2 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.0 0.1 0.2 0.2 0.1 TOV 2.2 4.2 1.9 3.4 2.6 3.0 3.6 2.2 3.3 3.1 PF 1.8 2.1 4.0 2.3 2.6 2.8 3.2 3.7 3.3 3.2 PTS 5.0 5.7 7.8 7.3 6.1 8.4 10.7 12.4 6.1 9.9 "I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
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Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
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A physician called into a radio show and said:
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If Teddy is as good inside as we are supposing, and if he has the slightest inclination to be a passer as well as a scorer, Jaime and Asbjorn could have a field day.Where oh where is our T. Boone Pickens.Comment
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At WV, 19 assists to 33 turnovers at a rate of 1.8 assists and 3.1 turnovers per 40 minutes. Assists per 40 would rankk 5th best on WSU this season and turnovers tied for 11th best with JB. But Teddy's 3 of 25 from three is better than Ricky's.Originally posted by wusphlash View Post"I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
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Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
"We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".
A physician called into a radio show and said:
"That's the definition of a stool sample."Comment
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