Havoc in the Heartland Series

[WstateU]

[BostonWu]

From the day this "competition/award/trophy" (or whatever it is) was announced I felt it was hokey and artificially conceived to conjure up an old rivalry. (No offense to the old geezers) but the rivalry is just no longer and this hokey competition isn't going to do a damn thing to change that.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

Good point. The lack of head-to-head match ups offer fewer opportunities for rivalries to develop.

[pogo]

Anytime Wichita can spank Tulsa it is a good thing. That was some spankin this year

[1972Shocker]

Until Tulsa starts being more competitive in the bigger sports, this won't be a thing most people pay any attention to.

Maybe if Wichita State had football and Tulsa had baseball it would be a bigger deal.

Because Tulsa has football their lineup of sports is somewhat different than WSU probably attributable to Title 9 considerations.

Sports Tulsa sponsors that WSU does not include football, men's soccer, women's rowing and women's soccer.

WSU sponsors baseball and men's golf which Tulsa does not have.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

Until Tulsa starts being more competitive in the bigger sports, this won't be a thing most people pay any attention to.

[1972Shocker]

Always glad when the Shockers win anything. If your gonna keep score you want to win. But, seriously, is there some plan to make this more than just an idea that hasn't caught on and is not particularly promoted or publicized. Does it serve a purpose or is this just something the 2 AD's can bet a steak dinner over? I assume it was intended to try to revive the historical rivalry with Tulsa although that was mostly a men's basketball thing. As far as I can tell it is of very little to no value in generating fan interest and I have not detected it is that big of a deal to the athletes either to this point.

[WuShock Reaper]

Wichita State 2019 FINAL TALLIES "Havoc in the Heartland" series with Tulsa

:good:

https://tulsahurricane.com/sports/2018/3/20/havoc-in-the-heartland.aspx

2019 Results:
Wichita State = 44
Tulsa = 22


2018 Results:
Wichita State = 35
Tulsa = 31

[1972Shocker]

Your memory is accurate. Frank Haith along with AD Derrick Gregg and head football coach Phillip Montgomery all took pay cuts.

https://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/tusportsextra/bill-haisten-derrick-gragg-philip-montgomery-and-frank-haith-accept/article_833b8a0b-9b60-5982-be6d-ecda78465987.html

[wufan]

Well Wufan I guess it depends on what news site you believe. According to info on the Tulsa site BrandonRachel and Keshawn Embry Simpson where 4 star recruits out of high school. Rachel went to LSU and pearl juco before picking Tulsa. Simpson is an Arkansas transfer. The big man is a 3 star from a juco. His video is impressive. He is athletic.

That game we played at Koch this year was a tough game. The shocks pulled it out but Tulsa choked at the free throw line. In my opinion TU seems to be getting better talent. Hope we don't take them for granted even though we have recently dominated the series. Go shocks.

Fair enough. Embry-Simpson was not listed on 247 just as Teddy Allen isn’t listed for the Shockers. Thanks for the info.

[Stickboy46]

Tulsa is reportedly between a rock and a hard place financially in all institutional facets, so it’s possible they might have some rough years ahead. It’s a tiny school trying to support “major” D1 sports. Not 100% they are long-term sustainable.

All that to say for all intents and purposes we should have no problem being the stronger overall athletic department.

I believe I read that they asked Haith to take a paycut

[Wuzee]

We also beat them at their place by 19. I don't know how they'll be next season, they'll probably be the same. They bring back 5 of their top 7 players in terms of minutes but replacing Jeffries will be tough.

As of April 19, they'll bring back 4 of their top 7. Curran Scott, who averaged 10pts a game in conference play, has left the program.

[Shox The Revenant]

Well Wufan I guess it depends on what news site you believe. According to info on the Tulsa site BrandonRachel and Keshawn Embry Simpson where 4 star recruits out of high school. Rachel went to LSU and pearl juco before picking Tulsa. Simpson is an Arkansas transfer. The big man is a 3 star from a juco. His video is impressive. He is athletic.

That game we played at Koch this year was a tough game. The shocks pulled it out but Tulsa choked at the free throw line. In my opinion TU seems to be getting better talent. Hope we don't take them for granted even though we have recently dominated the series. Go shocks.

We also beat them at their place by 19. I don't know how they'll be next season, they'll probably be the same. They bring back 5 of their top 7 players in terms of minutes but replacing Jeffries will be tough.

[TheShocktocles]

Well Wufan I guess it depends on what news site you believe. According to info on the Tulsa site BrandonRachel and Keshawn Embry Simpson where 4 star recruits out of high school. Rachel went to LSU and pearl juco before picking Tulsa. Simpson is an Arkansas transfer. The big man is a 3 star from a juco. His video is impressive. He is athletic.

That game we played at Koch this year was a tough game. The shocks pulled it out but Tulsa choked at the free throw line. In my opinion TU seems to be getting better talent. Hope we don't take them for granted even though we have recently dominated the series. Go shocks.

[SHOCKvalue]

Tulsa is reportedly between a rock and a hard place financially in all institutional facets, so it’s possible they might have some rough years ahead. It’s a tiny school trying to support “major” D1 sports. Not 100% they are long-term sustainable.

All that to say for all intents and purposes we should have no problem being the stronger overall athletic department.