NCSTATE job

[SpanglerFan316]

I will add that I hope Sexton has at least started brainstorming should he need to fill a position soon. I would imagine he would have some ideas...at least I would hope. I know Schaus always kept a list of potential candidates should it come to that. Networking is HUGE in the world of college athletics, hopefully Sexton has been working on his.

Remember Schaus is the reason (current Big 12 & soon Pac 12 coach) Tad Boyle will not be WSU's coach.

• At the end of the 2005-6 season,, Schaus told (associate head coach) Boyle that he would not be considered for WSU's head coaching position if Mark Turgeon left.

• Tad left WSU and became head coach at Northern Colorado. http://uncbears.com/sports/mbkb/mtt/boyle_tad00.html

• After four years, Tad was hired as the head coach at Colorado and the Buffs had the most wins in program history in 2010-11.

• Schaus already had his "list of potential candidates" with Gregg Marshall's name at the top and Tad wasn't even given consideration.

In my mind, having such a list can be problematic. Gregg has done a great job recruiting good players to WSU and he is a very smart coach but he has not gotten the Schocks to the NCAA tourney yet. I hope Marshall remains at WSU because I think his tactical coaching will be better next year. (I think his coaching improved in the NIT tourney run; he might have listened to his players' ideas about offensive plays because the WSU offense looked better (& more varied) to me in the NIT.)

[AndShock]

Boyle would've left last year even if we did get him. I don't think Boyle vs Marshall is really that big of a difference.

[SpanglerFan316]

Boyle would've left last year even if we did get him. I don't think Boyle vs Marshall is really that big of a difference.

Would Tad's presence on the bench have affected the 2006-7 season? Could he have helped prevent or minimize the meltdown that occurred that season?

[SHOXAAC]

Boyle would've left last year even if we did get him. I don't think Boyle vs Marshall is really that big of a difference.

Would Tad's presence on the bench have affected the 2006-7 season? Could he have helped prevent or minimize the meltdown that occurred that season?

If's and but's...I agree with AndShock, Boyle wasn't the long-term coach at WSU.

I will repeat, in the interview process this time (if there is a need for one), do the best job you can (Sexton and Co.) to ascertain whether the new guy has the characteristics and traits to want to do something special in, and for, Wichita, Kansas.

There has to be a Mark Few out there...find him!!!

[SpanglerFan316]

I'm not arguing for or against any particular candidate (e.g. Chris Jans); I'm arguing against preconceived notions and against a prepared list.

I agree that we need the best candidate available and I hope the person who decides which candidate is "best" is an outstanding judge of basketball coaching potential.

[1972Shocker]

I'm not arguing for or against any particular candidate (e.g. Chris Jans); I'm arguing against preconceived notions and against a prepared list.

I agree that we need the best candidate available and I hope the person who decides which candidate is "best" is an outstanding judge of basketball coaching potential.

I would think that IF and when the Shocker coaching job opens up the list of Coaches expressing an interest in the position will be significant.

I don't think having a list is bad. I don't think that anyone is arguing you limit yourself to such a list, but doing some proactive thinking is not a bad thing and allows you to get a quick start IF that becomes necessary.

[SpanglerFan316]

1972Shocker: I agree with your points but "limit(ing) yourself to such a list" is what happened in April of 2006, a year before Turgeon left. and cost WSU an outstanding associate head coach who might have made the 2006-7 season better. (Remember Tad turned down Northern Colorado, talked with Schaus and then accepted the UNC offer.)

[Kung Wu]

Having a list = due diligence was done, giving the new coach maximum time to recruit in an already very short time span to do so.

Not having a list = having to do due diligence on every single candidate that you interview, dragging the process out and severely jeopardizing the final selection's recruitment period.

Are you really arguing about Schauss' methodology?

It definitely worked out for us: HC3G.

If Schaus says Jans wasn't ready to coach the Shox at that point, how can you argue? We just came off a sweet 16 and expectations were at a maximum and there was money to bring in a known quantity with NCAA tournament experience.

[Speed]

The cheapest & easiest option for next year is Marshall. And isn't there a certain bit of unfinished business ? The NIT & the Final Four weren't an anomaly. I heard a quote from Calipari that talent will beat experience. I'm not so sure about that.
The Shox are right there. I think we all would agree that we stand a chance in either Final 4 match up. We're National Champions!
Just maybe this year proves that this is college athletics and there is reward for building a program, developing young men who get an education & generally just do things right.
Brad Stevens spurned the BCS & is playing for another National Championship.

[DUShock]

This is asinine...

[DUShock]

This is asinine...

Oh, if you have to look "asinine" up in the dictionary you are stupid.

[Kung Wu]

That sums it up nicely.

[SpanglerFan316]

Having a list = due diligence was done, giving the new coach maximum time to recruit in an already very short time span to do so.

Not having a list = having to do due diligence on every single candidate that you interview, dragging the process out and severely jeopardizing the final selection's recruitment period.

Are you really arguing about Schauss' methodology?

It definitely worked out for us: HC3G.

If Schaus says Jans wasn't ready to coach the Shox at that point, how can you argue? We just came off a sweet 16 and expectations were at a maximum and there was money to bring in a known quantity with NCAA tournament experience.

You need to reread my posts. I didn't object to making a list; in fact, I agree with your comments on "due diligence."

What were the effects of Schaus' use of his list?

• A year before Turgeon left, Schaus stuck to his list and we lost Boyle. Even if Gregg Marshall was still selected in 2007, being flexible as to potential candidates for a vacant head coaching job in the spring of 2006 might have let WSU retain Tad for 2006-7. I have not heard anyone argue that having Boyle for 2006-7 would have hurt the team; I think he would have helped the team a lot.

• Schaus didn't consider anyone not on his list AFAIK. We got an outstanding coach in Gregg Marshall and I hope he stays.

[ShockerInKC]

I absolutely believe that the University and its supporters would pay up to $2 million per year if they thought that money would equal sustained NCAA success.

To that: I just recieved my SASO renewal in the mail today. Things that make you go hmm....

Yeah, you will know when you are considered a key supporter. They will meet with you in person and ask you to join various clubs like the Coaches Club. I think that was probably a minimum of $25,000 spread over 5 years which is just now being finished up.

BTW, I am not a member of the Coaches Club nor would they waste their time even asking me.

I might be interested in that, but I'll tell you for sure after the powerball numbers are drawn.

[Kung Wu]

Having a list = due diligence was done, giving the new coach maximum time to recruit in an already very short time span to do so.

Not having a list = having to do due diligence on every single candidate that you interview, dragging the process out and severely jeopardizing the final selection's recruitment period.

Are you really arguing about Schauss' methodology?

It definitely worked out for us: HC3G.

If Schaus says Jans wasn't ready to coach the Shox at that point, how can you argue? We just came off a sweet 16 and expectations were at a maximum and there was money to bring in a known quantity with NCAA tournament experience.

You need to reread my posts. I didn't object to making a list; in fact, I agree with your comments on "due diligence."

What were the effects of Schaus' use of his list?

• A year before Turgeon left, Schaus stuck to his list and we lost Boyle. Even if Gregg Marshall was still selected in 2007, being flexible as to potential candidates for a vacant head coaching job in the spring of 2006 might have let WSU retain Tad for 2006-7. I have not heard anyone argue that having Boyle for 2006-7 would have hurt the team; I think he would have helped the team a lot.

• Schaus didn't consider anyone not on his list AFAIK. We got an outstanding coach in Gregg Marshall and I hope he stays.

That would not have been fair to Tad then, who would have missed out on the head coaching opportunity he had in front of him.