Valley Thoughts

[Dave Stalwart]

I'm gonna laugh so much if the Valley finishes with like half the conference tied for first at 10-8. And the other half will be just a game or two behind. Everyone basically .500 and no one manning up and winning the dang thing.

[WuDrWu]

Winning.

[WuDrWu]

Lol exactly. The 35 second shot clock comment sent milk through the Doc's nose.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

Some teams have a 31.9 second shot clock

[Stickboy46]

might be a problem when you are waiting 30 seconds into the 35 second clock .. since you only have a 30 seconds. Would explain a lack of scoring.

[Frank The Shock]

That 35 second shot clock will get you every time!

[WuDrWu]

UNI delusion in a snapshot post from their board:

I genuinely feel this team is much better than any other in the valley, they just haven't made the adjustment yet.
Unexplainable and unacceptable that it's taking this long for the coaching staff to figure it out and react, but we've seen in previous seasons that they will go on a prolonged run once they do make the necessary adjustments. I see no reason why we can't do that again, and run the table in StL.
We've played and beaten MUCH better teams than we're losing to right now. At some point the coaches will realize that when we don't wait 30 seconds into the 35 second clock to attempt to score, we can score more efficiently! At that point I have no doubt we'll dispose of the rest of the valley like the trash heap they are.

[Play Angry]

I posted the note on attendance below on the MVC board but thought some here might enjoy it as well.


MVC Attendance Year-by-Year

2017-18 (to date) - 3,569
2016-17 - 5,010
2015-16 - 5,051
2014-15 - 5,176
2013-14 - 5,599
2012-13 - 7,270
2011-12 - 7,064
2010-11 - 7,187
2009-10 - 7,397
2008-09 - 7,752
2007-08 - 7,877

Obviously WSU's departure in 2017 and Creighton's departure in 2013 had significant impacts, but there is more to the story. Below are members' average attendance figures to date for 2017-18:

Bradley - 5007
Illinois State - 4652
Missouri State - 4401
Northern Iowa - 4062
Evansville- 3675
Southern Illinois - 3579
Indiana State - 3201
Valparaiso - 2650
Drake - 2621
Loyola - 1839

Now, below are historical snapshots for each current member school taken in 5 year intervals over the past 20 years:

Bradley - 2012-13 - 6557; 2007-08 - 9600; 2002-03 - 9351; 1997-98 - 9769
Illinois State - 2012-13 - 6541; 2007-08 - 6516; 2002-03 - 6021; 1997-98 - 8694
Missouri State - 2012-13 - 6080; 2007-08 - 6241; 2002-03 - 6295; 1997-98 -7161
Northern Iowa - 2012-13 - 4249; 2007-08 - 5096; 2002-03 - 3220; 1997-98 - 3564
Evansville- 2012-13 - 4463; 2007-08 - 5486; 2002-03 - 6671; 1997-98 - 8177
Southern Illinois - 2012-13 - 5007; 2007-08 - 6660; 2002-03 - 6567; 1997-98 - 3420
Indiana State - 2012-13 - 5726; 2007-08 - 4289; 2002-03 - 4339; 1997-98 - 6652
Valparaiso - 2012-13 - 3173; 2007-08 - 3666; 2002-03 - 4376; 1997-98 - 3861
Drake - 2012-13 - 3926; 2007-08 - 6038; 2002-03 - 3969; 1997-98 - 4093
Loyola - 2012-13 - 2278; 2007-08 - 1776; 2002-03 - 3010; 1997-98 - 2775

Average Attendance for Current Member Institutions:

2017-18 (to date): 3569
2016-17: 4212
2012-13: 4800
2007-08: 5537
2002-03: 5382
1997-98: 5817


All data above is taken from http://www.ncaa.org/championships/stati ... attendance except for YTD attendance for 2017-18, which is taken from each team's statistics page from their AD website.

[Kung Wu]

Valley of Death --> Valley of Even --> Valley no one wants to win

MVC = Minimum Variance Conference

[im4wsu]

In the last 2 days, UNI got Tree'd, ISUred got Rambler'd, MSU got Evansville'd, Drake got Valpo'd and SIU got Gargoyle'd.

Valley of Death --> Valley of Even --> Valley no one wants to win

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  WuDrWu[/URL] commented
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  This is so completely accurate. I've said it before, I will continue to pay attention to the Valley because they were our brethren for so many years. I will continue to be interested in how they are doing. I've watched every Valley team at least one game this season, and I wouldn't give any of them an advantage over the others in a tournament setting. Even if UNI at 0-5 plays at 4-1 Drake tomorrow, that's a coin flip game and it's likely to be a coin flip in St. Louis. Name any 2 random Valley teams and tell me who the favorite is. I dare you.

  To illustrate the good doctor's point, here are the KenPom projections for the next games (note there is only one game with greater than a 68% odds):

  	Home		Visitor
  170	Drake	131	Evansville	(W, 65-64, 55%)
  69	Missouri St.	164	Indiana St.	(W, 72-62, 82%)
  96	Loyola Chicago	118	Bradley	(W, 65-59, 68%)
  153	Southern Illinois	163	Illinois St.	(W, 74-70, 66%)
  140	Northern Iowa	147	Valparaiso	(W, 63-59, 63%)

[WuDrWu]

This is so completely accurate. I've said it before, I will continue to pay attention to the Valley because they were our brethren for so many years. I will continue to be interested in how they are doing. I've watched every Valley team at least one game this season, and I wouldn't give any of them an advantage over the others in a tournament setting. Even if UNI at 0-5 plays at 4-1 Drake tomorrow, that's a coin flip game and it's likely to be a coin flip in St. Louis. Name any 2 random Valley teams and tell me who the favorite is. I dare you.

[RoyalShock]

In the last 2 days, UNI got Tree'd, ISUred got Rambler'd, MSU got Evansville'd, Drake got Valpo'd and SIU got Gargoyle'd.

Valley of Death --> Valley of Even --> Valley no one wants to win

[Cdizzle]

They don't have the Jimmies and Joes.

[ShockTalk]

Ben's ticket to greener pastures may now be forever blowing in the wind.

[Dave Stalwart]

Honestly I’m really surprised uni is so bad. I figured they’d be a top half finisher at least