Singing to Dear Leader

[ShockCity]

[WuDrWu]

Intelligence is a relative term.

Perhaps. I am relatively certain you are lacking much intelligence.

[rZ]

You've been watching too much Glenn Beck, IMO.

Frankly, you conveniently and almost without exception disregard the positions of others by responding with non sequitur nonsense or misdirection. Put another way in this particular case, I don’t watch Glenn Beck (we are not allowed to watch television at work) but even if I did it would be irrelevant.

No, I choose to not respond with 80 page dissertations on here for two reasons:

1.) It's pointless because you can't get through to bull headed people who would believe anything these idiots tell them. In other words, it's a waste of my valuable time.

2.) I don't have time.

Your ramblings on here get so tired and worn out that even if you had a point I am not sure a rational thinking person could decipher it.

To the contrary, I believe this forum has proven time and time again that, given a well thought out and relevant argument presented in an intelligent and respectful manner, all view points are welcome. If such an argument were to be presented, there would most definitely be an equally respectful rebuttal, to which you could defend your position with a well thought out counterpoint. See, that is how a topic should be debated. Free of name calling and insults to intelligence or what TV shows one does or does not watch, etc.

As Maggie pointed out, you argue with misdirection, name calling, and a complete disregard for the views of others. So I argue, with all due respect and politely as possible, that it is not the time you lack for qualifying your view points and arguments, it is an inability to develop a well thought out and relevant argument that can be presented in an intelligent and respectful manner.

[1979Shocker]

Re: Singing to Dear Leader

There are very few words…the creepy just keeps on coming…

School kids taught to praise Obama

Political Sloganeering - "Equal work gets equal pay!" Sounds normal, if I lived in North Korea.

Obama/Jesus comparisons - "Red and yellow; black and white...they are equal in his sight." (Him being Obama). These lyrics may sound familiar to Sunday school alumni.

Forced fawning - "Hello Mr. President, we honor you today! ... Hooray Mr. President, you are number one!"

No matter how you slice it, this spectacle is totally inappropriate.

Incidentally, this happened back in February. No one was complaining back then. Otherwise, the parents would have been complaining long before the YouTube video came out.

Scrutiny rises over NJ kids singing Obama song

BURLINGTON TOWNSHIP, N.J. — A school for kindergartners through second-graders in a comfortable Philadelphia suburb has become the latest target of accusations by conservatives that schoolchildren are being indoctrinated to idolize President Barack Obama.

The controversy grows out of a school assembly during Black History Month in February, when gripes about the freshly inaugurated president were still mostly hushed.

That month, a group of smiley and fidgety students at B. Bernice Young School sang a medley of two short songs praising the president.

The first song begins, "Mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack Hussein Obama/He said that all must lend a hand/To make this country strong again."

The second one was set to "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and included the refrain, "Hooray, Mr. President."

Maybe someone can explain how singing "...all must lend a hand to make this country strong again" is indoctrination?

[1979Shocker]

I wonder what people would be saying if we had the Internet back during the Nixon presidency?

Children Singing Praises To President Nixon In 1972

[WuDrWu]

The ironic part is that "all" must NOT lend a hand....only those that have too much much lend EVEN MORE of a hand.

[RoyalShock]

"all must lend a hand" may not be words right from the pen of Karl Marx, but it is getting close to "from each according to his ability . . ."

If what those kids were asked to do was also done under Nixon, it was just as wrong.

And I thought I read that when many of the parents found out, they were quite upset. I can't recall where I read/heard that, so take it for what it's worth.

[ShockTalk]

You've been watching too much Glenn Beck, IMO.

Frankly, you conveniently and almost without exception disregard the positions of others by responding with non sequitur nonsense or misdirection. Put another way in this particular case, I don’t watch Glenn Beck (we are not allowed to watch television at work) but even if I did it would be irrelevant.

No, I choose to not respond with 80 page dissertations on here for two reasons:

1.) It's pointless because you can't get through to bull headed people who would believe anything these idiots tell them. In other words, it's a waste of my valuable time.

2.) I don't have time.

Your ramblings on here get so tired and worn out that even if you had a point I am not sure a rational thinking person could decipher it.

To the contrary, I believe this forum has proven time and time again that, given a well thought out and relevant argument presented in an intelligent and respectful manner, all view points are welcome. If such an argument were to be presented, there would most definitely be an equally respectful rebuttal, to which you could defend your position with a well thought out counterpoint. See, that is how a topic should be debated. Free of name calling and insults to intelligence or what TV shows one does or does not watch, etc.

As Maggie pointed out, you argue with misdirection, name calling, and a complete disregard for the views of others. So I argue, with all due respect and politely as possible, that it is not the time you lack for qualifying your view points and arguments, it is an inability to develop a well thought out and relevant argument that can be presented in an intelligent and respectful manner.

Exactly what a political forum should be about, rZ! Unfortunately, many, on both sides, cannot resist the mudslinging that we denounce our politicians of.

[ShockTalk]

I wonder what people would be saying if we had the Internet back during the Nixon presidency?

Children Singing Praises To President Nixon In 1972

The same thing they'd be saying today - How cornball was that!! I'm sure that many of the young adults (not to be confused with children in early elementary school) in that video probably got a good chuckle or gagged.

[kcshocker11]

Not to mention the video of school kids singing the praises of W, Ferma how they will save them from Katrina. This right wing noise machine period! Silly Silly Silly

[ShockTalk]

Not to mention the video of school kids singing the praises of W, Ferma how they will save them from Katrina. This right wing noise machine period! Silly Silly Silly

The gate swings both ways.

[kcshocker11]

Not to mention the video of school kids singing the praises of W, Ferma how they will save them from Katrina. This right wing noise machine period! Silly Silly Silly

The gate swings both ways.

Oh so true! 8)

[Maggie]

I believe it is appropriate to review the arguments in support of this song/rap/whatever:

(1) It was argued that this song/rap/whatever was performed during black history month; and therefore it was acceptable; (2) there was an attempt to compare this song/rap/whatever to the Pledge of Allegiance; (3) there were those that endeavored to justify it on the basis that it was simply an isolated incident – no big deal; (4) there was an attempt to portray those that do object as “whacky” and incapable of independent thought; and (5) it was asserted that because similar performances took place during past administrations (Nixon and Bush) that current criticism is hypocritical (I hope I am not overstating this last one).

As I wrote before, I am not in favor of this when it concerns someone I would generally support anymore than I am over someone I generally don’t. There is a difference between healthy appreciation for a leader and something like secular worship.

I objected to this song/rap/whatever because of the political sloganeering, the comparison of President Obama to Jesus coupled with the forced fawning. Then if you take into consideration what amounts to a “messianic” trend in the MSM (and elsewhere) together with the fact that the Obama Administration actually attempted to give children a highly inappropriate “lesson plan” prior to and associated with a direct Presidential address to school children (the speech itself I had no real problem with) – it raises the creepy level to an all time high, at least in my lifetime.

I understand the excitement over President Obama’s election; however, people shouldn’t do this – they shouldn’t take it this far - and when they do they should take a step back and reassess. That is not innocuous. That being said, I don’t think we are going to have a bunch of school children chanting poems about their "Dear Leader".

A relationship between a child and a President — is extremely odd. A child has a relationship with a parent or with a teacher, later a mentor or a coach, but not a President. A child swears allegiance to the flag and the republic for which it stands, but not the man or woman who happens to be sitting in the White House. That's the difference between a "popular democracy" (which is really a dictatorship) and a constitutional democracy or a republic.

[Maggie]

...I believe this forum has proven time and time again that, given a well thought out and relevant argument presented in an intelligent and respectful manner, all view points are welcome. If such an argument were to be presented, there would most definitely be an equally respectful rebuttal, to which you could defend your position with a well thought out counterpoint. See, that is how a topic should be debated. Free of name calling and insults to intelligence or what TV shows one does or does not watch, etc.

Very well put - perfect, in fact. :good:

[kcshocker11]

I believe it is appropriate to review the arguments in support of this song/rap/whatever:

(1) It was argued that this song/rap/whatever was performed during black history month; and therefore it was acceptable; (2) there was an attempt to compare this song/rap/whatever to the Pledge of Allegiance; (3) there were those that endeavored to justify it on the basis that it was simply an isolated incident – no big deal; (4) there was an attempt to portray those that do object as “whacky” and incapable of independent thought; and (5) it was asserted that because similar performances took place during past administrations (Nixon and Bush) that current criticism is hypocritical (I hope I am not overstating this last one).

As I wrote before, I am not in favor of this when it concerns someone I would generally support anymore than I am over someone I generally don’t. There is a difference between healthy appreciation for a leader and something like secular worship.

I objected to this song/rap/whatever because of the political sloganeering, the comparison of President Obama to Jesus coupled with the forced fawning. Then if you take into consideration what amounts to a “messianic” trend in the MSM (and elsewhere) together with the fact that the Obama Administration actually attempted to give children a highly inappropriate “lesson plan” prior to and associated with a direct Presidential address to school children (the speech itself I had no real problem with) – it raises the creepy level to an all time high, at least in my lifetime.

I understand the excitement over President Obama’s election; however, people shouldn’t do this – they shouldn’t take it this far - and when they do they should take a step back and reassess. That is not innocuous. That being said, I don’t think we are going to have a bunch of school children chanting poems about their "Dear Leader".

A relationship between a child and a President — is extremely odd. A child has a relationship with a parent or with a teacher, later a mentor or a coach, but not a President. A child swears allegiance to the flag and the republic for which it stands, but not the man or woman who happens to be sitting in the White House. That's the difference between a "popular democracy" (which is really a dictatorship) and a constitutional democracy or a republic.

Me thinkist you worry too much about nothing! Try taking a vacation, New Zealand is nice. Oh dont worry about health insurance there, if you get hurt theyll take care of you! :D 8)