'Green Jobs' Resigns

[Shirley Schmidt]

Don't let the door hit you in the a** on the way out.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/09/06/obama-green-jobs-adviser-van-jones-resigns-amid-controversy/

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The Zoo has an African Lion..........

The White House has a Lyin' African.......


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[Maggie]

The more I learn about Van Jones via a little search engine some of you may have heard of – it is called “google” – it raises a simple question: Which scenario is worse – that this man was poorly vetted by the White House; or that this man actually was vetted by the White House? :noidea:

There is simply no way he could have been working in this administration on September 11th.

And this topic belongs in the Politics Forum.

[SubGod22]

This guy had no business being involved in any administration. Sadly, I think he was involved for a reason. There's no way the White House didn't know all about him when it was easy to find info.

[SB Shock]

It about time. If anybody in a republican administration had ever taken stances he had taken there would have been a liberal lynch mob after him.

[RockChalkWUShock]

First let me admit I am a little "green" pun intended, when it comes to the power of the "czars" as far as creating and passing policy, I highly doubt that they are able to pass policy, without checks and balances.

But I don't really have a problem with someone who is a proclaimed communist, working for a President. As long as they can't just pass policy into law.

I don't believe that a persons personal beliefs should automatically exclude them from an appointed position. Meaning that he most likely had more to offer, than making marxist comments, or joining a communist group. Maybe he actually had some good ideas for a green economy. I don't know.

I guess I don't understand this automatic hatred of any political system other than ours.

[RoyalShock]

I don't think hatred of other political systems is the issue. Although I'm sure a Marxist like Jones harbors a hatred of the Constitution, which he must see as an enemy.

Considering that the federal branches of government have been trampling on the Constitution for decades, I'm quite uncomfortable with a Marxist advising our president. Thankfully, it appears a lot of other people are uncomfortable, too.

The issue, for me at least, is trust. Or a lack thereof.

[RockChalkWUShock]

I don't think that you need to hate the consitution if you are a Marxist. I would think that you would use the constituition, and the democracy which it sets up, to elect into place Marxist policy. Which might be the source of so much worry, I don't know.

My main issue is that seemingly Jones had no power to make policy change, and was an advisor. Why does it matter so much if he has no power to change anything?

[RoyalShock]

Marxism is anti-freedom, anti-liberty. The Constitution is pro-freedom, pro-liberty.

You are sounding very much like a Marxist.

[Maggie]

Frankly, having a Communist as this Czar was perfect since the "green jobs" initiative is an important part of the hard Left's agenda to use environmentalism as an additional justification for usurping command of the economy.

But the funny thing is the fact that Jones is a devoted Communist (something I have a real issue with) is not why he resigned his job (and it is certainly not a hiring impediment in this administration) it primarily had to do with his “association” with the 9/11 Truther Movement (members of which I will unfortunately have to involuntarily listen to in a few days).

The theories of 9/11 Truthers implicitly, and often not so implicitly, accuse some of our best of partaking in mass murder. After all, Bush and Cheney alone can't remote-control planes or plant explosives or whatever the theory du jour is. Executing the cover-up would require the cooperation and acquiescence of thousands upon thousands within the White House, within the Cabinet, within the military, within the intelligence community, within the law-enforcement community, and beyond. I’m sorry but responsibility for 9/11 isn't one of those issues where we can "agree to disagree".

The hiring of Jones was a scandal, the failure to flag this issue in the vetting process is unforgivable, and the fact that we did not watch cable-news coverage of Obama personally throwing Jones's desk knick-knacks out the third-story window of the Old Executive Office Building while the Secret Service removed him from government property was disappointing.

There could be a silver lining in all of this: Since White House made up his job, it does not have to replace him. Cut government waste, one Czar at a time? ;-)

[RockChalkWUShock]

I am not sure if I am a Marxist, I haven't studied it much. I would deffinitely say that I am closer to a Democratic Socialist than I am a free market capitalist, even though I own my own business.

[wu_shizzle]

I am not sure if I am a Marxist, I haven't studied it much. I would deffinitely say that I am closer to a Democratic Socialist than I am a free market capitalist, even though I own my own business.

So you're suicidal?

[RockChalkWUShock]

So you're suicidal?

No, not in the least, why would I be?

I just wish we could have our taxes pay for things like universal healthcare, education thru college, drug rehab instead of incarceration, more job training programs, and more spent on science. The most important part is that I want those things to pass by aproval of the people, democraticly. Not thru uprising, revolt, or overthrow.

[RoyalShock]

As a Democratic socialist I must presume you would have no problem with the government going into direct competition with you and running you out of business.

I wonder if that's what wu_shizzle meant by you being suicidal.

To most reasonable people, your political stance as a business owner is not logical. Unless you didn't really mean "socialist".

A Marxist philosophy is "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." That is what you are advocating and what led to the communist Soviet Union.

[wu_shizzle]

As a Democratic socialist I must presume you would have no problem with the government going into direct competition with you and running you out of business.

I wonder if that's what wu_shizzle meant by you being suicidal.

That's exactly what I meant.

[RockChalkWUShock]

I want a more European form of government. Ideally government would regulate businesses that are a necessity for public good. Like healthcare, Education, mass transit, etc.

As far as me being a small business owner, I think that the government has gone into business against me already by allowing tax loopholes, tax breaks, allowing for exclusionary business practices, not enforcing tariffs for price dumping from foreign imports, off shore tax havens etc. All of these negatively affect my business on an on going basis.

In my opinion the institutions that should cause us concern are the multinational conglomerates of the world, not the government. I do believe that a more European system of looking at business, taxation, and government would help small business out, and prevent large multinational corporations from controlling our policy and markets.

I disagree with the notion that Socialism is government in direct competition with private business. I would think that most would consider a European approach to government to be Socialism, yet there are alot of businesses in Europe most of them are not in direct competiton with their government.

I also want to point out again that I am not advocating for any changes that are not voted on or passed by us or those that we elect. I hope this helps explain my point of view a little better.