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[jdshock]

No, he didn't cause the hurricane.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/twitter-u...102306031.html

I don't follow your point. Literally all of those tweets are accusing him of using the hurricane as cover for the incredibly controversial pardon and the formal ban that on transgender people that he enacted last night.

I would say it's pretty clear that's what he did. I would think he would agree since last week he said essentially that he'd pardon the sheriff that very day but it would be too controversial.

[pinstripers]

using the hurricane..............

[SB Shock]

I would say it's pretty clear that's what he did. I would think he would agree since last week he said essentially that he'd pardon the sheriff that very day but it would be too controversial.

Do you think he got some advice from a communication specialist or he came up with that strategy on his own? It came straight from the Democrats playbook.

[WuDrWu]

I don't follow your point. Literally all of those tweets are accusing him of using the hurricane as cover for the incredibly controversial pardon and the formal ban that on transgender people that he enacted last night.

I would say it's pretty clear that's what he did. I would think he would agree since last week he said essentially that he'd pardon the sheriff that very day but it would be too controversial.

Incredibly controversial???? I'm sorry, but I struggle with thinking like this. I get that "we" have our differences in spending and funding and choosing where tax dollars go, and I agree we all need to work harder to find common ground on those issues and that common ground should be a lot easier to find than it is.

This guy was elected to keep Arizona safe. I know the left's talking points so don't bother. He tried to keep innocent people safe from criminals and he didn't coddle the criminals. He absolutely deserved a pardon because for no other reason than he was doing the job he was elected to do. There is no crime if he's not elected to keep the peace.

As for trannys in the military. Come on. Only idiots and people that want our military killed think banning them is a bad idea. Kill people and break things. Not provide hormone therapy and surgery for confused gender challenged folks. Nobody wants to be defended by someone who is most concerned about whether they want a penis or a vagina.

[WuDrWu]

Do you think he got some advice from a communication specialist or he came up with that strategy on his own? It came straight from the Democrats playbook.

It's called taking out the trash and it's a staple of the Democratic playbook and has been for years.

[WuDrWu]

Our Constitutional Republic is threatened when we continue to send to Washington (and even state and local legislatures) the same career, entitled, selfish and greedy politicians year after year after year after year from BOTH sides of the aisle.

Regardless of what idiotic and trolling douchenozzles like @Jamar Howard 4 President: say.

[Aargh]

Incredibly controversial???? I'm sorry, but I struggle with thinking like this. I get that "we" have our differences in spending and funding and choosing where tax dollars go, and I agree we all need to work harder to find common ground on those issues and that common ground should be a lot easier to find than it is.

This guy was elected to keep Arizona safe. I know the left's talking points so don't bother. He tried to keep innocent people safe from criminals and he didn't coddle the criminals. He absolutely deserved a pardon because for no other reason than he was doing the job he was elected to do. There is no crime if he's not elected to keep the peace.

The reason it is controversial is that it was determined by the legal system that Arpaio was illegally targeting minorities in his enforcement of the law. He was ordered by the judge to stop certain specific activities. He ended up back in court because he had not stopped those specific activities. Again the court found he was engaging in illegally and selectively using the power of his office against minorities.

It's one thing to target minorities. That's bad, but it's generally overlooked. When it's not overlooked and law enforcement refuses to obey the orders of a judge, who is enforcing the laws on the books, that's worse.

Law enforcement can't be allowed to break laws and disobey judge's orders. Pardoning Arpaio sends a message that law enforcement can have a free hand when dealing with minorities and can disobey judge's orders if the right guy is in the White House.

Getting a pardon for disobeying a court order should be controversial. Trump has indicated he's willing to overrule courts if "the right people" run afoul of court decisions. That's a pretty dangerous policy.

[ShockCrazy]

Incredibly controversial???? I'm sorry, but I struggle with thinking like this. I get that "we" have our differences in spending and funding and choosing where tax dollars go, and I agree we all need to work harder to find common ground on those issues and that common ground should be a lot easier to find than it is.

This guy was elected to keep Arizona safe. I know the left's talking points so don't bother. He tried to keep innocent people safe from criminals and he didn't coddle the criminals. He absolutely deserved a pardon because for no other reason than he was doing the job he was elected to do. There is no crime if he's not elected to keep the peace.

As for trannys in the military. Come on. Only idiots and people that want our military killed think banning them is a bad idea. Kill people and break things. Not provide hormone therapy and surgery for confused gender challenged folks. Nobody wants to be defended by someone who is most concerned about whether they want a penis or a vagina.

You complain about left talking points on Arpaio but have fallen for the right's hook line and sinker. Even if we ignore Arpaio's blatant racism, he's a **** stain. I seriously suggest you take a look at his behavior and his abuse of power before hanging your hat on him as someone who was "keeping people safe".
John McCain certainly isn't a fan of the blanket policy: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/se...rticle/2632650 And Secretary of Defense Mattis certainly is trying to kick the can down the road because he doesn't be believe it's an issue worth of address.

[WuDrWu]

Shockernet needs dislike buttons.

@ShockCrazy: You've shotgunned the left's koolaid. Try coming up for air sometime.

Every pardon involves a "law breaker" but that one was political in nature, period. So I guess all pardons are "controversial".

[jdshock]

Shockernet needs dislike buttons.

@ShockCrazy: You've shotgunned the left's koolaid. Try coming up for air sometime.

Every pardon involves a "law breaker" but that one was political in nature, period. So I guess all pardons are "controversial".

To be clear, are you arguing it's not controversial? Because Trump has basically admitted as much every time he went in public the last two weeks and said "I don't think I can do this yet, but Joe is probably going to like what I have for him!"

I guess every pardon is probably somewhat controversial. Every pardon that preempts the justice system's attempt at resolution is incredibly controversial. Clinton did it once or twice too, and it was incredibly controversial.

But most obviously, he announced it on a Friday night during a hurricane. That's not when you release your non-controversial news. Perhaps you can think it SHOULD NOT be controversial, but I'm interested to hear an argument that it's actually not.

[WuDrWu]

We all have our own baseline of annoyance I suppose. What bothers me might not be important to you and vice versa.

My point, after acknowledging that all pardons are going to be "controversial" on some level, was that there was no question he was going to be pardoned, by this President or the next GOP one, simply because his prosecution was political in nature. We can argue semantics and details, but he was doing what he felt was best to keep the peace. You knew he was going to be pardoned, I knew he was going to be pardoned, everyone knew it...whether it was Trump or Pence or Bush or whomever. There wasn't a question about it, it was purely political and not like a drug dealing mom with half an ounce too much weed that triggered a 3rd strike life type sentence of a career criminal. That's all.


It seems to me this President would have gladly and loudly pardoned Joe, for all to see. So I'm not sure why it was thrown out with the trash to be honest.

[ShockCrazy]

Shockernet needs dislike buttons.

@ShockCrazy You've shotgunned the left's koolaid. Try coming up for air sometime.

Every pardon involves a "law breaker" but that one was political in nature, period. So I guess all pardons are "controversial".

If you call reading the litigation he has faced, oh and perhaps all these times the judges have found him and his department not following the law, you know the things he's ACTUALLY done koolaid, yup you caught me. I seriously don't think you have ANY idea of the real facts of Arpaio. How many times does he, his jurisdiction, and his jails have to be found of misdeeds before you can accept maybe he's not a hero of justice? I am freaking flabbergasted. Perhaps you should actually read the facts. Hell try to find some actual real documentation that supports your claim that he's just done his job, cause well the judges consistently have said he hasn't.
Lets start here: http://archive.azcentral.com/news/ar...uling1023.html Oh and he kept at it: https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/...-et-al-opinion And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

[SB Shock]

If you call reading the litigation he has faced,

This is why regardless of who is in power you need to respect the law and hold people accountable. Under the Obama administration nobody was held accountable, thus as a nation we are now sliding down the slope.

[BOBB]

I liked things better when I thought you were all morons because you thought Kenny Manigault was going to be an all-MVC player.

[shocka khan]

If you call reading the litigation he has faced, oh and perhaps all these times the judges have found him and his department not following the law, you know the things he's ACTUALLY done koolaid, yup you caught me. I seriously don't think you have ANY idea of the real facts of Arpaio. How many times does he, his jurisdiction, and his jails have to be found of misdeeds before you can accept maybe he's not a hero of justice? I am freaking flabbergasted. Perhaps you should actually read the facts. Hell try to find some actual real documentation that supports your claim that he's just done his job, cause well the judges consistently have said he hasn't.
Lets start here: http://archive.azcentral.com/news/ar...uling1023.html Oh and he kept at it: https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/...-et-al-opinion And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Nice post, I'd like to add he cost the citizens of Maricopa county more than $40 million dollars in legal judgments for his obviously reckless and careless behavior.

I ROFLMAO at some of these so-called conservatives. It would seem like a true conservative would have a big problem with elected officials engaging in behavior which unjustly forces taxpayers to carry the water for them when they leave a trail of wreckage behind them, but there aren't many true conservatives around anymore, no these people are more like facists (there are a number of republicans in the Phoenix area, like Russell Pearce. I suspect Arpaio had some of those nazis supporting him).

Trump did this because he got a lot of support from nazis and white supremacists. This is just another example of him playing to his perceived base.

Side note: read this story on Pearce


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/16/us/arizona-republican-official-resigns-after-remarks-about-medicaid-recipients.html