Trump 2020

[SubGod22]

Well if one isn't held to any standard, then they can argue both sides without ever being right or wrong. They just straddle the fence but still haven't made a point.

I don't adhere to your tribal politics. Neither of your sides is right or wrong as a whole. So why pick one? I'll go with what I believe is right and wrong regardless of who or what party it comes from.

I will forever take principles over blindly following any one man or party.

Anyone who takes a stance on any topic that leads to individual liberty or a smaller government interaction gets my support. Neither of the two old parties have a lock on that. Both of them generally take the opposite approach to most issues and believe in the power of government over the people.

Both old parties are more alike than not and I do not have to "pick a side" when they're both more wrong than right. The belief that one has to pick one of the two is a big reason this country is where it is right now and so divided. It's sad, especially considering most people don't really fall into one side or the other.

[Shockm]

I don't adhere to your tribal politics. Neither of your sides is right or wrong as a whole. So why pick one? I'll go with what I believe is right and wrong regardless of who or what party it comes from.

I will forever take principles over blindly following any one man or party.

Anyone who takes a stance on any topic that leads to individual liberty or a smaller government interaction gets my support. Neither of the two old parties have a lock on that. Both of them generally take the opposite approach to most issues and believe in the power of government over the people.

Both old parties are more alike than not and I do not have to "pick a side" when they're both more wrong than right. The belief that one has to pick one of the two is a big reason this country is where it is right now and so divided. It's sad, especially considering most people don't really fall into one side or the other.

Tell us your principles then. Not that you can agree and disagree with both sides.

[SB Shock]

I don't adhere to your tribal politics. Neither of your sides is right or wrong as a whole. So why pick one? I'll go with what I believe is right and wrong regardless of who or what party it comes from.

People seem to not understand that "identity politics" is a form of Idolatry.

[ShockerPrez]

Washington is not for anything anymore. Washington is about divvying out trillions of dollars of Americans' money to friends of Washington.

it's as simple as that. Everything they do is to facilitate the grift. Party does not matter.

Belief in X? Is designed only for the purpose of getting votes to keep person Y in power to continue to facilitate the grift for backer Z.

It's that simple (in my mind).

The biggest change that could change government, aside from term limits, would be a complete banishment of federal dollars going to any organization not providing a specific good or service to the federal government.

No bank bailouts, no corporate welfare, no government subsidies. None.

If these disbursements are needed, then the organization is not viable in the free market, and should fold. There will continue to be bad behavior if there is no consequences to poor management in these corporations.

I would prefer a UBI and Medicare for all as opposed to continuing billions of $$ to corporations being run by millionaires. Spend the money on the citizen directly. Don't give it to a corporation or org where a few take a cut and pass it on.

And I consider myself as conservative as anyone. But if a business can donate a dollar to a politician, then they don't need a dollar from the gov.

It's all a game. It's all just a big skim.

[SHOXAAC]

Tell us your principles then. Not that you can agree and disagree with both sides.

I think he did when he supports individual liberty and smaller government. I am not political at all, but I also believe both parties have right and wrong within. Both parties are to entitled to support the other parties strengths. When we have a movement toward true individual liberties, making decisions that aren't agenda-driven, which means less government controls, I will become political. Until then I just keep popcorn handy when reading this thread. "This message was brought to you by an individual that isn't the smartest person in the room. We now return to regular programing."

[Shockm]

I think he did when he supports individual liberty and smaller government. I am not political at all, but I also believe both parties have right and wrong within. Both parties are to entitled to support the other parties strengths. When we have a movement toward true individual liberties, making decisions that aren't agenda-driven, which means less government controls, I will become political. Until then I just keep popcorn handy when reading this thread. "This message was brought to you by an individual that isn't the smartest person in the room. We now return to regular programing."

I agree with everything you just said. I agree with Sub in principle. But in a democracy, we make compromises because we never get everything. I believe in Right to Life but recognize that abortion will not totally go away. Democrat led States are way out of line and a bigger block on the movement but some Republicans in Kansas block my wishes too. But The States who are WAY OUT OF LINE are New York, California, New Jersey, Illinois, etc.

Anyone who says they are Conservative, but doesn’t recognize the difference in how Democrat New York and California are run and how Texas and Kansas are run isn’t a serious Conservative.

[Shockm]

If that's the case, they were doing it wrong

So if you say we shouldn’t have voted for Trump, then you would say that we should have voted for Hillary Clinton.

[Shockm]

I have a hard time believing that any member of "the squad" gains any real power. Maybe that's me being naïve

Well Bernie Sanders will be the new CHAIR of the Senate Budget Committee. That’s getting pretty powerful.

[SubGod22]

So if you say we shouldn’t have voted for Trump, then you would say that we should have voted for Hillary Clinton.

No

[SubGod22]

Well Bernie Sanders will be the new CHAIR of the Senate Budget Committee. That’s getting pretty powerful.

That is pretty frightening. I don't think that man understands what a budget is. Though, I'm not sure many in DC do.

[Shockm]

No

Then not vote.
Out of 150 Million people I made a choice and at least participated. If all Conservatives don’t vote, AOC and Bernie will win.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Well Bernie Sanders will be the new CHAIR of the Senate Budget Committee. That’s getting pretty powerful.

Yep. It's the mandate from their party. They can't just ignore it. Guarantee more of these "progressive" socialists will take on leadership of the Dem party.

[SubGod22]

Then not vote.
Out of 150 Million people I made a choice and at least participated. If all Conservatives don’t vote, AOC and Bernie will win.

I participated too and voted for the candidate that most closely represented me.

If conservatives would actually nominate conservatives and stop running big government candidates maybe they'd get my vote. But I'm also not a conservative. I can almost guarantee that the Rs will run another big government, big spending candidate in 2024 and that will once again be something I cannot support. I don't care if my candidate loses as long as I get to actually use my voice to vote for what I want. I wanted nothing to do with Trump or Biden or Clinton. They're all more similar than not. Voting for any of them would be me voting against my beliefs and principles and willfully silencing myself.

[Shockm]

I participated too and voted for the candidate that most closely represented me.

If conservatives would actually nominate conservatives and stop running big government candidates maybe they'd get my vote. But I'm also not a conservative. I can almost guarantee that the Rs will run another big government, big spending candidate in 2024 and that will once again be something I cannot support. I don't care if my candidate loses as long as I get to actually use my voice to vote for what I want. I wanted nothing to do with Trump or Biden or Clinton. They're all more similar than not. Voting for any of them would be me voting against my beliefs and principles and willfully silencing myself.

Well this was an anti-Swamp candidate. He wasn’t a true conservative candidate in my opinion (he would have worked a lot of deals if Dems would have crossed Party lines but they wouldn’t), but he fulfilled a lot of Constitutional Conservative Principles like electing Constitutional Strict Constructionist Conservative judges. He took away a lot of regulationsOne of the stumbling blocks for taking away regulations and many other Conservative Principles were Obama judges. His environment policies were quite Conservative.

Biden isn’t far left, but today he just re enacted Obama regulations on business. He wants to raise taxes on small business, and the rest of us and he may be unstoppable. He wants to stop the Keystone Pipeline (Even liberal Canada doesn’t want him to do that) which will force us to go back to the Middle East for oil. Along with that, Biden wants the Green New Deal and that’s why he placed John Kerry as his brand new position Cabinet empowered Green New Deal Czar). Wait until you see the liberal judges Biden will nominate. Obama was the farthest left President in my lifetime and yours too, and Biden says he wants to be to the left of him. Trump wasn’t the perfect Conservative but the Democrat Party is going more and more left. Maybe not AOC left YET, but behind Bernie as Budget Chair, and the Dem Base moving left, we are going to get closer to her.

Hold onto your Principles, but if you can’t see and feel the Democrat Base politics inching further and further to the left, you have lost your compass imo.

[atlwsu]

What is so appealing about term limits. I see thtee problems with them that out weight the benefits.
1) Term limits would strengthen the power of the 4th branch of government, bureaucracy. And increase the influence/power of lobbyist. That would be were all the expertise would reside. These are unelected, mostly unknown individuals with no public accountability.
2) In there last term they could (would?), being unrestrained by voter preference, to vote absolutely contrary to their constituents desires. Again no accountability. Although this is the weakest and least potent of the 3 arguments, I believe it is a real possibility.
3) Our candidate choices would be limited. If we had a Representative or Senator we thought represented us well or best among those available, we would, at some point, be restricted from returning them to DC. Most that would not be able to run again would be great candidates to become unelected bureaucrats or lobbyists. They would go from being accountable to unaccountable.

I am not high on term limits. But willing to listen to strong arguments for them.