Trump 2020

[asiseeit]

First thing Biden supporters and everyone needs to understand is that he will control nothing and will do
what his HANDLERS tell him to do. His handlers/operatives are the ones that control everything and
manufactured enough votes for him to win in four key states

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

There are no credible claims of election fraud in PA.

Georgia and Arizona are both run by Republicans and Trump is losing there as well.

I will concede that there has yet to be any credible proof of voter fraud in PA if you will concede there has been no one close enough to see if there was any fraudulent activity going on.

If the ballots are all legit, why not let the observers watch?

[Shockm]

The reason they didn't let in more overseers is because they were already full with the requisite Dim/Repub watchers. Turn off Hannity bro. Give yourself a chance to even see the caboose of the reality train in the near future.

You are totally wrong and don’t know what you’re talking about. . I never listen to Hannity.

On video the worker shouting before they even started counting, “All Republicans out” several times. I put the video on another thread on Shockernet. They allowed Democrats to stay and forced Republican watchers to leave. Then Clark County ( I believe that was where it was), put paper over the windows to block any view from the outside. They had to go to the courts which took a couple of days. You don’t know what was happening in that room and no one else does either. But cheating would be a possibility.

[ShockerPrez]

And yet two pages ago you said "the democrats sure have to do a lot of cheating, stealing...to defeat an unpopular racist candidate".



If there is election fraud and the campaign has proof then it should absolutely be brought to light and taken to court. I don't think anyone would argue his right to do so.



Maybe it would be a good idea to tone down the rhetoric then?



We should always look to improve processes where we can but the idea that there is widespread election fraud in this country is not based in reality. I find your lack of faith in American democracy disturbing.

My hope for a potential Biden presidency is that he will attempt to bring the country together as much as possible. Obviously it's not going to happen overnight and will require effort from the citizens.

Biden will win the popular vote by 4 million plus and may ultimately gain a definitive victory in the electoral college. However, a lot of people voted for Trump. I think it is a mistake to dismiss those voters as "racists or idiots". Call me naive but I just can't believe that is true. So, I think the challenge for a potential Biden administration, and for democrats in general, is to attempt to understand and even empathize with those people and figure out what can be done to make them feel included. I'm not talking the conspiracy touting fringe nut cases, those people are beyond hope.

I can choose to believe that there is/was probably fraud and cheating going on in Philadelphia and Detroit. And Dems cheating when it was a given that Trump was going to lose (in their mind) is comical. I can also choose to believe that it may not have had an impact on the ultimate outcome of the election. I can also believe that the allegations go both ways and that Trump and a lot of his supporters are full of **** and are not above claiming outlandish crap that isn't true, or misrepresenting things out of context. I can also believe that the natural state of democrats in Philly and Detroit is corruption. And those political machines have been rigging elections in their favor for probably 60 years. Why would it be any different this year? I can believe a bunch of stuff. A bunch of the claims, while maybe not credible, can be believable, given the past reputation and some of the actions being displayed. That's not my fault, I'm just pointing it out.

And as for the Dems labeling everyone racist, well, that ain't gonna go away. It's all they've got at this point, and too much of their base bought in. It was their panic button move when they realized their policies aren't widely accepted across the country. So they needed to stoke the fear of a base they see slipping away fast.

Biden will be president, I'm sure of that. Trump will be gone. I'm not shedding a tear over that either. He has worn out his welcome and has only himself to blame. But a lot of things can be true at once.

[C0|dB|00ded]

There was a moment in time early this year when Trump came out and gave a speech about how we are going to take the virus seriously and take all the necessary steps to fight it, etc. etc. I was blown away. He sounded like a different person. He sounded like a president. I remember thinking at the time that this would be his 9/11 moment where he brought the country together against a common enemy. I thought, maybe I had him pegged wrong. If he can act this way in the face of a crisis then maybe it's not outside the realm of possibility for him to earn my vote. Of course we know what happened like less than 24 hours later. He turned back into a pumpkin.

100% brother!

It was his 9/11 - giftwrapped and laid carefully on his front door step. I was okay with his performance until late spring/early summer when he started denying the rising infections. After he stubbed his toe, he then proceeded to completely **** his bed to the point where you don't even wash the sheets, you just haul them out to the garbage can.

But a tiger doesn't change his stripes; a BS artist-salesman doesn't flip a switch and become deliberative and steady. He HAD to attempt to BS his way through the pandemic. Wrong choice.

Still almost won though which has given me more than a few moments of internal doubt over "which reality matters" in this country.

[Shoxfan11]

First thing Biden supporters and everyone needs to understand is that he will control nothing and will do
what his HANDLERS tell him to do. His handlers/operatives are the ones that control everything and
manufactured enough votes for him to win in four key states

lol

[C0|dB|00ded]

First thing Biden supporters and everyone needs to understand is that he will control nothing and will do
what his HANDLERS tell him to do. His handlers/operatives are the ones that control everything and
manufactured enough votes for him to win in four key states

After witnessing the last 6 months, Trump could have used some "handlers" of his own.....................

[pinstripers]

Anybody that thinks Biden would have handled Covid better is a fool.

[Shock Top]

The whole world is having spikes in cases numbers.

If anyone thinks Joe does world’s better, apart from him implementing a mass hide-in-the-basement mandate, is full of it.

[ShockerFever]

Can’t wait to see Biden eradicate the virus on day 1.

[pie n eye]

I don't know if election fraud can be proven or not. However, for you to not be uncomfortable with some of the shenanigans that have happened in Philly (laws were broken when election overseers from only the Republican Party were not allowed within 6' of the vote counting like it says in the law) and elsewhere, says more about you than ShockerPrez. Republican poll watchers were sent out on video so that shows some proof of illegal activities and possible vote cheating. Why would the Philly worker (i assume he is a Democrat from his words) send them out?

I'm sorry, I guess you missed the part of my post where I said that any valid evidence of election fraud should absolutely be reviewed by the legal system.

The 4 million popular vote you mention means nothing when you consider that California legally allows vote harvesting (no one cares because they know that California's electoral votes will go to the Democrat Presidential candidate). That is just a legal form of cheating and if the vote was close, would very likely be struck down by the courts.

CA is one of many states, blue, red, even little old Kansas that allows this practice. There has been one instance that I could find where criminal charges were brought against someone for election fraud relating to "ballot harvesting". It was in North Carolina (a red state) and the guy was a republican. Again there is no evidence of any fraud related to this practice in CA. Additionally, both Democrats and Republicans utilize the laws in order to get out the vote.

Why are you so afraid of more votes being cast?

While Trump is unlikely to get anywhere with his methods, the willingness to overlook illegal voter problems speaks more about the "woke" crowd and their willingness, no propensity is the correct word, to force their opinions on others. That is also what Russia, China, and Cuba do.

Again, show me where I or anyone else advocated overlooking illegal voter problems? You can't. You won't. Because it didn't happen.

Lord knows why you're bringing up Russia, China, and Cuba. I guess that's your opinion of American Democracy? I'm sorry you feel that way.

[BostonWu]

Perhaps I'm the only Republican on the planet who feels it's time to move on. Trump won and then lost razor thin elections. That's what happens when it's literally a coin flip. I'm ready for some fresh new blood in the gop and feel really good about the pool of young talent. Trump was never sustainable. Biden Harris will be one term. Time to prepare for 2024.

[1979Shocker]

Perhaps I'm the only Republican on the planet who feels it's time to move on. Trump won and then lost razor thin elections. That's what happens when it's literally a coin flip. I'm ready for some fresh new blood in the gop and feel really good about the pool of young talent. Trump was never sustainable. Biden Harris will be one term. Time to prepare for 2024.

I can't see Biden having a second term either. He'll be in his 80's if that happens. Both parties need to come up with younger candidates.

[Kung Wu]

Perhaps I'm the only Republican on the planet who feels it's time to move on. Trump won and then lost razor thin elections. That's what happens when it's literally a coin flip. I'm ready for some fresh new blood in the gop and feel really good about the pool of young talent. Trump was never sustainable. Biden Harris will be one term. Time to prepare for 2024.

Wait you are saying I should put my looting gear back in the closet? I just got it all polished and ready for the big announcement!

[Shockm]

Perhaps I'm the only Republican on the planet who feels it's time to move on. Trump won and then lost razor thin elections. That's what happens when it's literally a coin flip. I'm ready for some fresh new blood in the gop and feel really good about the pool of young talent. Trump was never sustainable. Biden Harris will be one term. Time to prepare for 2024.

Thank God that it looks like 5he Senate will remain in Republican hands. Otherwise, you will be an idiot. Sorry but the Dems with total control will be a HUGE problem with the WOKE crowd.