LeBron James - Professional Gentleman of Politics

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

Theres seems to be a whole lot of caring of an athletes thoughts from the the “who cares what athletes think” crowd

[jdshock]

You know I respect the way you think about things and go about "explaining" even though I mostly going to disagree with your stance. But your explanation is why a lot of people don't like lawyers.

You don't need 10 paragraphs to know this fiasco is wrong. Nobody cares that the GM deleted his tweet, which I'd bet he was told to do (more of the problem). The problem with lawyers is that they make easy things difficult.

When the NBA tried to "fix" the tweet, they were on the wrong side of the argument, period. Everyone that's tried to defend Adam Silver or any NBAer since then is on the wrong side of the argument. Most of us realize that. Those that don't, or want to continue to argue semantics are on the wrong side. That's it. Nothing difficult, nothing crazy.

We get that it's about money. I don't care who you are, if you get into bed with the wrong people, sometimes you get burned. If you're going to try and spin it, you're still wrong. The fact that the tweet was deleted might mean the GM wanted his job more than kowtow to China, I don't know and you don't either. But while Daryl has kept quiet, LBJ doubled down and called him out. That's his free speech, but it's also mine to call him an idiot, and yours to call me one.

I'd wager a lot more Americans would side with me, because it's easy to see right and wrong. As Mrs. Black said in John Grisham's The Rainmaker "It takes two pages to say all that?"

My problem with what you said was that (i) you indicated we should trust Daryl because he has a degree in statistics from Northwestern and an MBA from MIT; and (ii) that LeBron didn't have a "tough week." I don't agree with your take on either of those points. Daryl is not any more trustworthy on foreign affairs than LeBron unless you point to the warrants behind what Daryl is saying or you can suggest Daryl has unique experience/education on the subject. The second point is that I think it's crazy not to acknowledge that it was a "tough week." I get that my life is pretty good and I've got uptown problems, but some days I go home and say "that was a rough day." The NBA was in a tough spot this week and they had to decide between losing billions of dollars or taking a morally righteous stance. Many of us think they took the wrong approach, but it is still a difficult situation to be in.

My problem with what other people have said is the suggestion that this is a situation where tons of people who protest in the US are now out here supporting China and opposed to HK. I absolutely disagree with that argument. From what I have seen, essentially every normal person who has been supporting BLM or Kaepernick or whatever, they are also supporting HK.

I don't know what you mean by "a lot more Americans would side" with you. I don't disagree with you on the underlying HK issue, it doesn't seem. I just think your opinions on why LeBron is wrong are unfounded. The only thing more frustrating than someone who disagrees with you is someone who agrees with you but for the wrong reasons.

[Kung Wu]

Far from a socialist, Lebron is showing his true capitalist colors. Effing with China effs with Lebron's money and therefore can't be tolerated. China is exporting their censorship to our shores and our corporations are accepting it. Anything for a dollar.

True, thank goodness the corporations aren't state run, like in socialist countries.

[Kel Varnsen]

Theres seems to be a whole lot of caring of an athletes thoughts from the the “who cares what athletes think” crowd

Most of us have a problem with the hypocrisy displayed by Kerr, Pop, and LBJ when they pontificate routinely about Trump, gun control, or any other number of issues, which, even if they are "correct" on, pale in comparison to the bevy of human rights violations occurring in China and Hong Kong right now. They cannot claim to be these great moral arbiters when they are not just silent on this issue, but LeBron actually has the gall to claim Morey is "misinformed" on this issue. They (and many defending them) want to apply nuance to human rights violations, but don't have any desire apply nuance to issues on American soil.

C.R.E.A.M.

“We all talk about this freedom of speech, yes we all do have freedom of speech, but at times there are ramifications for the negative that can happen when you’re not thinking about others. When you only think about yourself.” - LeBron James

I'm sure the Uyghurs understand.

[Shockm]

My problem with what you said was that (i) you indicated we should trust Daryl because he has a degree in statistics from Northwestern and an MBA from MIT; and (ii) that LeBron didn't have a "tough week." I don't agree with your take on either of those points. Daryl is not any more trustworthy on foreign affairs than LeBron unless you point to the warrants behind what Daryl is saying or you can suggest Daryl has unique experience/education on the subject. The second point is that I think it's crazy not to acknowledge that it was a "tough week." I get that my life is pretty good and I've got uptown problems, but some days I go home and say "that was a rough day." The NBA was in a tough spot this week and they had to decide between losing billions of dollars or taking a morally righteous stance. Many of us think they took the wrong approach, but it is still a difficult situation to be in.

My problem with what other people have said is the suggestion that this is a situation where tons of people who protest in the US are now out here supporting China and opposed to HK. I absolutely disagree with that argument. From what I have seen, essentially every normal person who has been supporting BLM or Kaepernick or whatever, they are also supporting HK.

I don't know what you mean by "a lot more Americans would side" with you. I don't disagree with you on the underlying HK issue, it doesn't seem. I just think your opinions on why LeBron is wrong are unfounded. The only thing more frustrating than someone who disagrees with you is someone who agrees with you but for the wrong reasons.

There are some really dumb comments from Democrats about China. A week ago or so, Mike Bloomberg said that China listened to their citizens and changed their viewpoints accordingly (paraphrased). Steve Kerr has a brother who is supposedly a China expert so he should know better than his comments equating the lack of questions from the Chinese press about a citizen who mowed down citizens with guns in the U.S. to not coming down on the Chinese government on their lack of free speech, etc. as much as he did President Trump. Greg Popovich has been totally silent about the lack of human rights (concentration camps, etc.) in China but he frequently spout off his liberal criticism of our country. That shows an ignorance you can't agree with.

The only reason Daryl Morey has shut down his tweets is because his boss on the Houston basketball team told he should if he wants to continue as GM of the Houston Rockets.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

So which is it? Do you care or not?

[Kel Varnsen]

So which is it? Do you care or not?

You seem to care a lot about whether I do or don't care.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

You seem to care a lot about whether I do or don't care.

If I didnt want an answer I wouldnt have asked the question.

[BOBB]

True, thank goodness the corporations aren't state run, like in socialist countries.

If they can ultimately bend corporations to their will, what's the difference?

[ShockingButTrue]

All of the takes in this thread are just lacking in any kind of nuance, as per usual.

Who needs jamar around when we got you to fill his shoes? You wear them well. Pretty sure 1972 didn't draw that illustration himself.

Maybe you don't understand where many in this are thread coming from, or either you just don't want to go there on the topic?

[ShockingButTrue]

True, thank goodness the corporations aren't state run, like in socialist countries.

Now there's some GOD**** nuance for 'ya.

Maybe this guy should blame big business and give lbj a little slack, huh(?):

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-lebron-james/



p.s.- sorry for the multiple posts, but I don't seem to have a "comment" option.

[SB Shock]

Now there's some GOD**** nuance for 'ya.

Maybe this guy should blame big business and give lbj a little slack, huh(?):

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-lebron-james/



p.s.- sorry for the multiple posts, but I don't seem to have a "comment" option.

I’m glad u posted that story. A true case where he is standing up for his ideals and paying a cost.

At least we know where LeBron James heart really lies. He is all for fighting injustice in the world if there is something in it for him. But if it going to cost him millions with his China deals - that is just a little to far.

[ShockingButTrue]

I’m glad u posted that story. A true case where he is standing up for his ideals and paying a cost.

At least we know where LeBron James heart really lies. He is all for fighting injustice in the world if there is something in it for him. But if it going to cost him millions with his China deals - that is just a little to far.

... not to mention preaching about twitter etiquette because, you know, people's feelings and everything. "Don't be like those bad Trump followers."

All he did was demonstrate that socialist's can every bit as greedy as capitalist's (maybe more?), and, yes, dumber too.

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But blame nike huh? Nuance?