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  • #16
    Kaepernick taking a knee during the anthem to bring notice to police brutality was only camouflage. It is obvious now that he was protesting the flag and using the more acceptable police brutality angle as a ruse.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by wufan View Post

      You’re meme is wrong. The little girl and her family were harassed and threatened. They were intimidated, but not censored.

      It's not "my meme."

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitter-permanently-suspends-aoc-parody-account-for-bei...ing-misleading

      If that one doesn't work try this one: https://reason.com/2019/05/07/aoc-tw...ed-spam-rules/

      Get a load of this dingbat: https://www.theblaze.com/news/dem-re...ongress-online
      Last edited by ShockingButTrue; July 4th, 2019, 07:19 PM.

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      • #18
        I agree that the things you are posting are a big problem, but you are conflating different issues. The meme was of the little AOC account. They voluntarily shut down due to threats and harassment. The first two articles posted above were about the banning of the AOC parody account by twitter. That’s a different account. The third is a proposed ban by government. Yes they are all related, but they are three different aligned groups attacking three different things.
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        • wufan
          wufan commented
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          I’m lost. None of the articles or items you’ve posted have anything to do with Antifa.

        • RoyalShock
          RoyalShock commented
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          The point I took from the mini-AOC meme is that the net effect of intimidation and threats is censorship. The goal of those tactics is to scare someone into shutting up.

        • ShockingButTrue
          ShockingButTrue commented
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          Wufan woefully misinterpreted what I submitted. Not surprising considering his weak attempt at being cheeky in his earlier post contained in this thread. The one where he posted a photo of the kkk. He didn't mention fascism once. It appeared to be a misinformed leap (and not very funny either). But, whatever...

          They proclaim to be "Anti Fascist," therefore, they must be against the forcible suppression of opposition, INCLUDING FREE SPEECH, which are considered to be "far right" tactics. See?

          So how do they achieve this? By attacking someone because they disagreed with that persons' expression of free speech. That quantifiable action is in direct parallel to many other examples that go beyond just "antifa" it today's -ahem- political climate. There are numerous examples if one understands the principle involved. You read my point correctly RoyalShock.

          Anyone else beside wufan see the hypocrisy?
          Last edited by ShockingButTrue; July 5th, 2019, 02:25 PM.

      • #19
        Wrong thread
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        • #20
          RoyalShock, you are correct, but there is a conflation of ideas that negatively impact the overall argument. This thread was started about Antifa in Portland. Antifa in Portland is trying to intimidate their opposition violently.

          The miniAOC harassment resulted in a type of censorship, but there is no evidence that it was Antifa or in Portland. Censorship also has a connotation of legal or systemic banning. That didn’t occur, and the more apt description, and more frightening, would be that leftists are intimidating families and children. I initially only wanted to point out this fact...that leftists are intimidating right wingers for political speech.

          ShockingButTrue went on to explain his point by pointing out actual censorship by big tech and threatened censorship by a gov official as some kind of proof that Antifa is against free speech. Hence, we are lost in the weeds. The meme simply inadequately expresses the idea in this context.

          If you tie it all together, what can be adequately stated is the following:

          Leftists believe that people are inherently evil, and if they are not checked, they will do evil things.

          Leftists (and Rightists, though no evidence is given here) have attributed malice to their opposition.

          There is loose interpretation of “my enemies enemy is my friend” amongst the left, leading to varying degrees of aligning goals between leftists, progressives, communists, and anarchists.

          All leftist parties discussed here to believe in what’s called, “a diversity of tactics.” They will support values that are contrary to America values as stated in the constitution, and likely their own values in some false narrative of a greater good.

          Therefore; non-violent leftists are in favor of oppressing Republicans through corporate censorship, government censorship, private and public harassment, and violence.

          If the government will not oppose the leftists that are attempting to violate god given rights, private citizen violence will escalate rapidly.

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          • ShockingButTrue
            ShockingButTrue commented
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            anitfa is against people who are "against free speech (fascism)."

        • #21
          ShockingButTrue wrote, “Wufan woefully misinterpreted what I submitted. Not surprising considering his weak attempt at being cheeky in his earlier post contained in this thread. The one where he posted a photo of the kkk. He didn't mention fascism once. It appeared to be a misinformed leap (and not very funny either). But, whatever...

          They proclaim to be "Anti Fascist," therefore, they must be against the forcible suppression of opposition, INCLUDING FREE SPEECH, which are considered to be "far right" tactics. See?

          So how do they achieve this? By attacking someone because they disagreed with that persons' expression of free speech. That quantifiable action is in direct parallel to many other examples that go beyond just "antifa" it today's -ahem- political climate. There are numerous examples if one understands the principle involved. You read my point correctly RoyalShock.

          Anyone else beside wufan see the hypocrisy?”

          I’m pretty sure everyone sees the hypocrisy.
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          • #22
            His another example of hypocrisy for you wufan:

            https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ry-force-way-/

            See what the rally was about? Twitter and google are doing the same thing prepping for '20, and being just about as covert about it... You still don't get it?

            It's the same thing they did in Portland, "defending" -ahem- free speech from fascists by beating a journalist's a**. Does that help? Can you get your mind around the rollicking irony (actually hypocrisy) of the whole thing? Really, sometimes it's just better to lighten up a little and laugh about the whole thing, eh wufan?

            Aren't you the one who started this thread about the anti fascist's antics up in Portland last weekend?

            Last edited by ShockingButTrue; July 7th, 2019, 10:07 PM.

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            • #23
              Watch out for Portland to be a flashpoint in the country this weekend.

              https://katu.com/news/local/rival-de...ntown-portland
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              • #24
                They let antifa shut down streets while cops look the other way. Strange city.
                Kung Wu say: "If Chuck Norris had a coach, his name would be Gregg Marshall."

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                • WuDrWu
                  WuDrWu commented
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                  No doubt, I mean there's "liberal" then there's whatever that is......I don't get it.

                • ShockingButTrue
                  ShockingButTrue commented
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                  TDS is real. It has many shapes and forms.

                  The hate runs deep.
                  Last edited by ShockingButTrue; 4 weeks ago.

              • #25
                "Dammit, we are anti facsist, and if you don't shutup and stop expressing your first amendment rights, we will dress up in black, jack boots with masks and kick your teeth in until you do as we say or die, you Nazi!"
                "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!

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                • wufan
                  wufan commented
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                  “No, no, no. The first amendment encourages violent speech against minorities; therefore we dress in black athletic gear, sneakers, and bandanas so the government won’t arrest us for stopping your violence”.

              • #26
                Originally posted by ShockerPrez View Post
                "Dammit, we are anti facsist, and if you don't shutup and stop expressing your first amendment rights, we will dress up in black, jack boots with masks and kick your teeth in until you do as we say or die, you Nazi!"
                Socialism: Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.
                There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.
                - Ernest Hemingway

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                • #27
                  Originally posted by ShockerPrez View Post
                  "Dammit, we are anti facsist, and if you don't shutup and stop expressing your first amendment rights, we will dress up in black, jack boots with masks and kick your teeth in until you do as we say or die, you Nazi!"
                  Mondo Bizzaro isn't it?

                  There are some wildly delusional people out there demonstrating/acting out what was an obviously pre-existent symptom. Trump winning the election was just the snapping point.

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                  • #28
                    I'm so disappointed in Oregon. For that to go on in America is a shame. It does nothing but embolden the darkest parts of the rest of the world. America was supposed to be a beacon of light. We literally have masked thugs taking over a city like they do in the Middle East.


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                    • #29
                      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/proud-b...ay-2019-08-17/

                      Sentence #2 .... it's "right-wing extremists" vs "anti-fascist demonstrators". One is extreme, while the other is just demonstrating.

                      Now it may be true, it may be right-wing extremists and anti-fascist demonstrators marching -- but the damage done by the media by consistently labeling nearly all conservatives as "right-wing extremists", and labeling fascists as anti-fascists, has me instantly thinking that this article is just more bullshit, so I stopped reading. I don't even want to inform myself anymore, based on track record of the slanted sources.

                      If the country is becoming even more divided -- and it is -- the media and our schools are the weapons being used to do it.
                      Last edited by Kung Wu; 4 weeks ago.
                      Kung Wu say: "If Chuck Norris had a coach, his name would be Gregg Marshall."

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                      • ShockerPrez
                        ShockerPrez commented
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                        Everyone right of center is also prefaced at the very least with 'Controversial'. Eg. 'Controversial talk show host Rush Limbaugh'. Conservatives are always labeled as such. Leftists are not.

                        Rachel Maddow is not labeled as a leftist commentator, she is just a commentator, or even a journalist. But Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson are not commentators, they are conservative commentators.

                    • #30
                      Yesterday was fortunately very mild. Kudos to the demonstrators and police for keeping the peace.
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