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  • Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post

    And all the carbon going into a tree, will come back out at some point, no matter what is done with the tree.



    Trees don't scrub carbon from the air? They scrub CO2. What is this discussion about, carbon or CO2, I thought it was the former?
    They pull CO2 from the air. Store carbon and spit out the oxygen. The issue isn't that there's too much carbon, it's that carbon stored is burned and released into the atmosphere in the form of carbon dioxide. Well never have more or less carbon on the planet than we have now. But, you know this.
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    • Originally posted by BOBB View Post

      It is fundamentally true. Carbon is an atom. It is never created or destroyed. Carbon Dioxide molecule is brought in by the tree's leaves and separated by photosynthesis. Carbon stored and Oxygen expelled.

      We can create a shitton of C02 but we can't create Carbon. That's alchemy.
      Sorry misspoke. Meant CO2
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      • Originally posted by BOBB View Post

        Agreed, but you're talking LONG term decay unless it's burned.
        It's the same effect as a factory manufacturing a product with three stations where each station takes one day to complete their operation:

        Day 1: Station 1 output = 1, Station 2 output = 0, Station 3 output = 0 - Product output 0
        Day 2: Station 1 output = 1, Station 2 output = 1, Station 3 output = 0 - Product output 0
        Day 3: Station 1 output = 1, Station 2 output = 1, Station 3 output = 1 - Product output 0
        Day 4: Station 1 output = 1, Station 2 output = 1, Station 3 output = 1 - Product output 1
        Day 5: Station 1 output = 1, Station 2 output = 1, Station 3 output = 1 - Product output 1
        Day 6: Station 1 output = 1, Station 2 output = 1, Station 3 output = 1 - Product output 1
        Day 7: Station 1 output = 1, Station 2 output = 1, Station 3 output = 1 - Product output 1

        You are only getting reduced emissions for 3 days, but on day 4 the same amount of carbon is coming out day after day after day for the rest of eternity. You can keep creating carbon batteries, but they are going to start leaking carbon, one after the other, at the same rate they would have X years ago when they were created. The net effect is identical, the can was just kicked down the road.


        Originally posted by BOBB View Post
        Even if it's torn down and landfilled it's locked up.
        Wood in landfills ends up as methane (quite quickly) -- which is much worse than carbon dioxide.
        Kung Wu say man who take lady on camping trip, have one intent.

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        • Originally posted by BOBB View Post

          Agreed, but you're talking LONG term decay unless it's burned. Even if it's torn down and landfilled it's locked up.
          Interestingly, while my science/engineering brain can't get onboard that building with wood will be a net benefit to slow global warming, I also don't care about that. Building with wood is super sustainable and the benefits of bulding with wood over most other raw resources is huge. So we both agree on what's best for society long term, we just have a different reason as to what some of the key benefits are.
          Kung Wu say man who take lady on camping trip, have one intent.

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          • Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post

            Wood in landfills ends up as methane (quite quickly) -- which is much worse than carbon dioxide.
            Learning a bit more about the methane off gassing. Certainly decomposing wood does it (13 years). Would be interesting to know how much decomposes vs. dries out, buried etc...more time than I can spend in the next day or two .
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