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  • #WalkAway

    https://www.facebook.com/assemblyman...85767141494448

    A voice of sanity echoing in the liberal wilderness.

    Maybe others will come back to reality? Who knows?

    #StayAway

  • #2
    That can't be real. Too rational.


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    • #3
      His stance on all of those things means that he's not actually a liberal. If you have to agree on each of the major issues to be considered rational, then there's no rational person across the aisle.

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      • Shockm
        Shockm commented
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        He mentioned facts and didn't spin things like Schumer likes to do. Schumer, and most Democrats were against the Iran agreement that Obama pushed through. If Congress' Democrats had been for it, the Iran Deal would have been a treaty and our relationship with Iran would still be in tact.

        The economy is high and unemployment the lowest in over 20 years.

        You, Jd are spinning and do not speak with facts.

    • #4
      Originally posted by jdshock View Post
      His stance on all of those things means that he's not actually a liberal. If you have to agree on each of the major issues to be considered rational, then there's no rational person across the aisle.
      I think the point is that the Democratic Party has become too progressive and is leaving out working class Americans in the process. This is similar to the 90s when the Republican Party became to intertwined with evangelicals. Special interests tend to leave out majority interests.
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      • #5
        Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded View Post
        That can't be real.
        You're right.

        "Over the next several days, #WalkAway climbed from the 7th most popular hashtag among accounts linked to Russian influence operations (on June 25) to the #1 hashtag (on June 30), where it has remained through the time of this writing (the early morning hours of July 5)."

        https://arcdigital.media/pro-trump-r...t-20359c1906d3

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        • #6
          The story you referenced only references this: http://dashboard.securingdemocracy.org/

          there were 78 bots associated with this starting July 2, after there were over 20000 followers already associated. Now there are around 50000 followers and less than 100 are bots. Everything else in the story you linked is that guys hypothesis that this couldn’t move from 0 to 20000 followers in June, despite the fact that his only source said there was no interference until July 2.

          Certainly there is play from the Russians here trying to get in on the action, but please consider that this a REAL thing and the DNC should be paying attention.
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          • #7
            Who is walking away?

            31 Republican congressmen have retired or resigned. A further 13 are leaving to run for other offices, mostly governor.
            11 Democratic congressmen have retired or resigned. A further nine are leaving to run for office, mostly governor.

            High profile Republicans?

            George Will
            https://wapo.st/2yz1LP9?tid=ss_tw-bo...=.9b54c2390f22
            "Congressional Republicans (congressional Democrats are equally supine toward Democratic presidents) have no higher ambition than to placate this president. By leaving dormant the powers inherent in their institution, they vitiate the Constitution’s vital principle: the separation of powers."

            Steve Schmidt
            https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/...25231004004352
            "29 years and nine months ago I registered to vote and became a member of The Republican Party which was founded in 1854 to oppose slavery and stand for the dignity of human life. Today I renounce my membership in the Republican Party. It is fully the party of Trump."

            Joe Walsh
            https://www.weeklystandard.com/chris...sidents-agenda
            "...he’s acting like an authoritarian, a dictator, a king. Do I want to support a dictator who’s going to cut my taxes? And the easy answer there is hell no. Because we can never have a dictator. He’s coming perilously close to that,” he says. “No man is above the law. He’s at that precipice right now. And it’s going to take a few voices when he crosses that, because he will.”

            http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...ajority-of-his
            “On my radio show earlier this [week], I asked Trump supporters if they were ok with Trump lying so much,” Walsh said in a tweet. “I told them that I wasn't.” “The consensus? The vast majority of callers said they're ok with all Trump's lying because he's ‘their guy,’ ” Walsh continued. “Their response left me pretty damn sad.”


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            • #8
              Originally posted by wufan View Post
              The story you referenced only references this: http://dashboard.securingdemocracy.org/
              The Hamilton68 dashboard has real issues. Bill Kristol and a few other neocons are the main proponents. I linked this article because the author walked through the process.

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              • #9
                Swamp draining. Part of the problem. Good riddance.

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by Anthroshock View Post

                  The Hamilton68 dashboard has real issues. Bill Kristol and a few other neocons are the main proponents. I linked this article because the author walked through the process.
                  Yes, you linked an article who’s only source disproved the authors theory. There was a theory that fit his narrative, but when it came to backing it up with facts, the theory fell flat. I’m discounting this guys narrative unless new facts emerge.
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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by Anthroshock View Post
                    Who is walking away?

                    31 Republican congressmen have retired or resigned. A further 13 are leaving to run for other offices, mostly governor.
                    11 Democratic congressmen have retired or resigned. A further nine are leaving to run for office, mostly governor.

                    High profile Republicans?

                    George Will
                    https://wapo.st/2yz1LP9?tid=ss_tw-bo...=.9b54c2390f22
                    "Congressional Republicans (congressional Democrats are equally supine toward Democratic presidents) have no higher ambition than to placate this president. By leaving dormant the powers inherent in their institution, they vitiate the Constitution’s vital principle: the separation of powers."

                    Steve Schmidt
                    https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/...25231004004352
                    "29 years and nine months ago I registered to vote and became a member of The Republican Party which was founded in 1854 to oppose slavery and stand for the dignity of human life. Today I renounce my membership in the Republican Party. It is fully the party of Trump."

                    Joe Walsh
                    https://www.weeklystandard.com/chris...sidents-agenda
                    "...he’s acting like an authoritarian, a dictator, a king. Do I want to support a dictator who’s going to cut my taxes? And the easy answer there is hell no. Because we can never have a dictator. He’s coming perilously close to that,” he says. “No man is above the law. He’s at that precipice right now. And it’s going to take a few voices when he crosses that, because he will.”

                    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...ajority-of-his
                    “On my radio show earlier this [week], I asked Trump supporters if they were ok with Trump lying so much,” Walsh said in a tweet. “I told them that I wasn't.” “The consensus? The vast majority of callers said they're ok with all Trump's lying because he's ‘their guy,’ ” Walsh continued. “Their response left me pretty damn sad.”

                    There are certainly people leaving the Republican Party, just as there are people leaving the Democratic Party. You’ve named a handful of politicians that don’t like Trump as a person. I don’t know what that has to do with the tens of thousands of registered voters that are leaving the democrats. If you look at the number of people that identify as democrats in 2008, it 35-40% of the population. Under Obama’s presidency it was about 35% on average. Now it’s 30%. Voters identifying as Republicans has stayed steady between 25 and 30% during that time. Roughly 15% of Democrats pre-Obama now identify as independents. The views of democrats over the last 10 years have swung dramatically to the left leaving a huge group of left leaning centrists that are closer to right wing republicans (which are now more moderate) than they are to the mainstream democrats. All of the above is available through Pew Research.
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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by wufan View Post
                      There are certainly people leaving the Republican Party, just as there are people leaving the Democratic Party. You’ve named a handful of politicians that don’t like Trump as a person. I don’t know what that has to do with the tens of thousands of registered voters that are leaving the democrats. If you look at the number of people that identify as democrats in 2008, it 35-40% of the population. Under Obama’s presidency it was about 35% on average. Now it’s 30%. Voters identifying as Republicans has stayed steady between 25 and 30% during that time. Roughly 15% of Democrats pre-Obama now identify as independents. The views of democrats over the last 10 years have swung dramatically to the left leaving a huge group of left leaning centrists that are closer to right wing republicans (which are now more moderate) than they are to the mainstream democrats. All of the above is available through Pew Research.
                      I don't disagree, but there are more recent numbers that add some nuance.

                      Pew Trends in party affiliation among demographic groups from March 2018
                      http://www.people-press.org/2018/03/...dentification/

                      "The 8-percentage-point Democratic advantage in leaned partisan identification is wider than at any point since 2009, and a statistically significant shift since 2016, when Democrats had a 4-point edge (48% to 44%)."

                      Gallup party affiliation and independent "lean" from 2004-2008
                      https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/p...filiation.aspx


                      2018 June 27% Republican 43% Independent 29% Democratic

                      2018 June 42% Republican and leaners 47% Democratic and leaners

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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by Anthroshock View Post

                        I don't disagree, but there are more recent numbers that add some nuance.

                        Pew Trends in party affiliation among demographic groups from March 2018
                        http://www.people-press.org/2018/03/...dentification/

                        "The 8-percentage-point Democratic advantage in leaned partisan identification is wider than at any point since 2009, and a statistically significant shift since 2016, when Democrats had a 4-point edge (48% to 44%)."

                        Gallup party affiliation and independent "lean" from 2004-2008
                        https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/p...filiation.aspx


                        2018 June 27% Republican 43% Independent 29% Democratic

                        2018 June 42% Republican and leaners 47% Democratic and leaners
                        What nuance are you adding that I didn’t address? That the same number of people still lean Democrat despite the fact that fewer claim democrat? I stated that a lot of the left leaning centrists are now claiming independent. That’s the point of this entire thread. There are a ton of moderates up for grabs (43%) and as the Democratic Party shifts more left, more moderates are going to be left to the Republicans.
                        Last edited by wufan; July 15th, 2018, 08:38 PM.
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                        • #14
                          It'll be interesting to see how the new kids on the block, the Democratic Socialists, affect those Independent numbers.

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by ShockTalk View Post
                            It'll be interesting to see how the new kids on the block, the Democratic Socialists, affect those Independent numbers.
                            CNN thinks it’s a bad idea

                            https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/27/opini...ham/index.html
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